----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Planes and poles > Secondly, I now believe that the celestial poles argument against heliocentrism is scientifically irrefutable. What's all this Neville, its new to me, have missed something? Jack (with tongue hanging out)