[duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

  • From: "Tesfaye Mihretu" <Tesfaye.Mihretu@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:17:22 -0400

Hello George,  It is Index Everest.  I just selected from the list you
provided.

Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: George Bell [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
George Bell
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille
page.


Why are you selecting Index Blue bar to drive an Everest?

Or have I misunderstood something?

George Bell. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: 19 August 2004 17:00
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Sorry Peter,  I did misunderstand your instructions.  As soon 
> as I sent you an email, I realized what I did was wrong.  
> However when I am embossing multi copies, Everest embosser is 
> giving "Everest ready" echo every time it embosses a page.  
> Most of the time my business card file has only one page.  Is 
> there any way I could turn off that sound.  This only  
> happens when I select  Index Basic (blue bar) machine.  
> 
> Your assistance is very much appreciated.
> 
> Tesfaye
> CNIB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:16 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> I have no problem embossing this document.
> 
> Let me try again to ask the questions I asked earlier.  It 
> seems that you may have misunderstood them.
> 
> I am only interested in embossing from DBT 10.5; the success 
> or failure of other products, including DBT 10.4 isn't my concern.
> 
> DBT can emboss to an Index embosser by connecting directly to 
> the serial or parallel port to which the embosser is 
> attached.  DBT can also emboss to an Index embosser by 
> connecting through the Index driver.  One controls how DBT 
> connects to the embosser by selecting the embosser name in 
> either Document, Embosser Setup or Global, Embosser Setup.  
> Then, you must click the Edit button and select either "Send 
> to Printer" (to write through the Index
> driver) or "Write to Port" (to write directly to the port to 
> which the embosser is attached).  I am interested to know 
> whether you have tried with each of these approaches.
> 
> If neither approach works, please try embossing to a file 
> (choose the third option -- "Write to File" after clicking 
> the Edit button), and then send this file to me.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:36 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello Peter,  I am just sending you a small file (1 page 
> long) It works fine with DBT 10.4 version.  Index's own 
> printer drivers works.  Can you try this file? Thanks.
> 
> Tesfaye
> CNIB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:26 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> I agree -- worrisome is a good word.
> 
> I cannot think of any good reason why this would be happening 
> in beta 6 and not in beta 5 (or beta 1, for that matter).  
> We've changed little about the Index "drivers" in that time 
> -- and absolutely nothing that should have any direct bearing 
> since beta 5.
> 
> Have you tried both:
>   - Embossing through Index's own printer drivers, and
>   - Embossing directly to a serial or parallel port?
> 
> If so, please try also embossing to a file, then send me the file.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:47 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello All,  This is becoming worrisome to me.  I am having 
> the same problems that I did not have in Beta 5.  Here at the 
> CNIB, we do have 2 Index Basic-D and One Index 4 x 4 Pro.  I 
> just tried Beta 6 version of DBT on each of them and only a 
> dot embossed. 
> 
> Any ideas why this happens all the sudden.
> 
> Tesfaye
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Durber [mailto:dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:22 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Please, when responding to messages such as my original 
> message, specify not only the make but also the model by that 
> particular manufacturer.
> 
> If I didn't know Index products, I would not have a clue as 
> to whether you were talking about an Index Basic-D, Index 
> Basic-S, Index 4 x 4, etc.
> 
> Saying that your embosser has 10.4, tells me absolutely 
> nothing about the model of embosser.
> 
> Index might have an embosser called 10.4.
> 
> The number 10.4 might refer to the firmware that is 
> installed, or it could be the particular version of the 
> software that your machine has loaded.
> 
> Sincerely:
> 
> Dave Durber
> 
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:54:09 -1000, you wrote:
> 
> >My 2 cents worth:
> >My Index is 10.4.
> >I have the top margin on the embosser set to 1.
> >In DBT I have desired lines at 25 and top to 0.
> >The default line spacing is 5.0.
> >
> >At 08:24 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>I agree in principle that DBT should be able to calculate 
> these things 
> >>correctly, provided only that you tell DBT what the line spacing is.
> >>Of course, that suggests that DBT would ask.  However, 
> we're not able 
> >>to add that feature before release.
> >>
> >>The good news for all concerned is that DBT's embosser 
> setup & driving 
> >>is contained in a separate DLL, so we'll be able to touch up things 
> >>like this without going through a full new release cycle.
> >>
> >>As for the question of what the factory default setting is 
> -- I don't
> know.
> >>David is investigating this now.
> >>
> >>- Peter
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:24 PM
> >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per 
> braille page.
> >>
> >>Regardless as to whether my embosser is set to the 
> "default" or not, 
> >>DBT should be able to make the right calculation as to the correct 
> >>number of lines per page no matter what the Line Spacing is 
> set in the
> embosser.
> >>
> >>Just for interest sake, what should the default line 
> spacing be when 
> >>an index Basic-D leaves the manufacturer.
> >>
> >>Sincerely:
> >>
> >>Dave Durber
> >>
> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:57 -0400, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Peter.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head as usual, line 
> spacing is 
> >> >not set
> >>at the default in Dave's embosser and that may be the issue.
> >> >
> >> >I wonder then could other parameters break this such as 
> setting it 
> >> >to
> >>Japanese braille etc?
> >> >
> >> >I am a bit puzzled.
> >> >
> >> >Don
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:26:47 -0400, Peter Sullivan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Don,
> >> >>
> >> >>That is not true.  Dave has in fact set things up 
> correctly, by all 
> >> >>appearances.  My guess is that we just have the wrong 
> value for the 
> >> >>number of lines that a Basic-D might put on 11" paper.  Perhaps 
> >> >>this is because Dave uses a spacing that we didn't anticipate.
> >> >>
> >> >>For the record, DBT's "Desired" top margin in *not* added to the 
> >> >>top margin specified in Device Settings.  Rather, DBT 
> enforces the 
> >> >>value in Device Settings ad the minimum possible value for a 
> >> >>desired top margin.  DBT adds CR/LF pairs (or whatever 
> line ending 
> >> >>is appropriate) when the desired top margin exceeds the Device 
> >> >>Settings
> value.
> >> >>
> >> >>- Peter
> >> >>
> >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda
> >> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:08 PM
> >> >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per 
> braille page.
> >> >>
> >> >>Hi Dave.
> >> >>
> >> >>You have a top margin of 1 in the embosser setup and a 
> top margin 
> >> >>of 1 in the Index embosser itself. This is your problem.
> >> >>
> >> >>You can not have an option such as top margin set in both places.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Don
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:32 -0400, Dave Durber wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>I own three Index Basic-D braille embossers. Firmware 
> version II, 
> >> >>>software version 4.40 installed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Since the beginning of the Beta Cycle for the release 
> of DBT 10.5, 
> >> >>>I have been trying to understand why I cannot emboss 
> the desired 
> >> >>>number of lines per page from the embosser when using DBT 10.5.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Following are the settings that I set in the Basic-D:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Group Page Layout Menu
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Characters Per Line: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Left Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>B Margin: 0  (This is actually Binding Margin).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Bottom Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Line Spacing: 5.2  (At this setting, with the top 
> margin set to 1, 
> >> >>>the embosser can emboss 25 lines per page.  With a top 
> margin of 
> >> >>>0, the embosser can emboss 26 lines per page but the embosser 
> >> >>>starts embossing approximately 1 quarter of an inch 
> from the top 
> >> >>>of the page, which is too near the top of the page.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Page Mode: Double-Sided
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Print Mode: Normal
> >> >>>
> >> >>>page number: off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Length 1: 11 inches
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Length 2: 11 inches
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Z-folding: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Group Option Settings
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Word Wrap: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Auto Line Feed: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Form-Feed: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Impact Level: 4
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Delay Time: 4
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Print Quality: Normal
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Graphic Dot Distance: 2.0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Text Dot Distance: Normal Pring-out Mode 2.5
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Setup: Open
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Jam: On
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Distance After File: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>DBT 10.5 Settings:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Global Embosser Settings:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Braiiller Device: Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Under Brailler Device Edit Button:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>General Tab Page:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Embosser Model: Index Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Setup Name: Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Default Form:  Narrow Width, 11 inch long, braille paper
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output Options: Write to port
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output to LPT1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Device Settings Tab Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Embosser Version: Firmware Version II
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Left margin (extra cells): 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Rightmost cell placement: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin setting: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Interpoint embossing is enabled: checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output encoding: North American
> >> >>>
> >> >>>High Punctuation: Uppercase
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Letter case: Lowercase
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Advanced Tab Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Job setup, use custom job setup: unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>End of line indicator: Carriage Return, line feed (PC)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>End of page indicator: Form Feed Only
> >> >>>
> >> >>>EOL on a full line: Checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The last four buttons on this page are unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Returning to the Global Embosser Setup Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Braille formatting form: Narrow width, 11 inch long, 
> braille paper
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Desired formatting:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Characters per line: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Lines per page: 25
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Binding Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Emboss in interpoint: Checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Emboss Banner page: unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>When I emboss a file with the above settings, I do not get a 
> >> >>>braille file with 25 lines embossed on each side of the 
> page as I
> would expect.
> >> >>>However, If I set the number of lines in DBT to 24, I get a 
> >> >>>braille output that has 24 lines of braille on each side of the 
> >> >>>sheet
> of paper.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Please advise me as to how I can get 25 lines on each side of a 
> >> >>>sheet of paper, using the above settings.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I have run out of ideas.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Personally speaking, all of the embosser information 
> should not be 
> >> >>>contained in one embosser such as "emb.elt".  It would be a far 
> >> >>>more sensible and logical, not only to say, more efficient for 
> >> >>>operating and troubleshooting reasons to have DBT create an 
> >> >>>individual file for each embosser that is installed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sincerely:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Dave Durber
> >> >>>
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