[duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:59:25 -0400

Don,

You're right -- we don't need the endless debate right now.  Let's save that
for the next staff pizza social after release.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Don Breda
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:45 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

Hi Dave and Peter.

Frankly in principle that may be true however the default line spacing has
changed over time in the index embossers.

If mechanical changes are made in the embossers as was the case a year or
two ago with the index line then their default line spacing could change and
the numbers indicating the changes in line spacing 
could also change as   the granularity over the control ofthe line spacing.

I submit it is possible for a numeric change in the line spacing setting on
an index embosser to have a different effect depending on the models,
mechanical changes made by the manufacturer etc and it is possible to have
two Index embossers of the same model and firmware version with different
mechanics in them making the line spacing numbers or settings perform
differently in both.

This could happen because one individual  upgrades firmware but does not pay
for the more expensive upgrade to the newer mechanics solanoids etc.
introduced by Index a year or so ago.

I don't see how DBT can account for that very easily and probably it really
shouldn't be expected to.

Let see where we end up going with this since I guess it could be debated
endlessly and we probably don't heed that at this point.


Don


 On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:24:17 -0400, Peter Sullivan wrote:

>Dave,
>
>I agree in principle that DBT should be able to calculate these things 
>correctly, provided only that you tell DBT what the line spacing is.  
>Of course, that suggests that DBT would ask.  However, we're not able 
>to add that feature before release.
>
>The good news for all concerned is that DBT's embosser setup & driving 
>is contained in a separate DLL, so we'll be able to touch up things 
>like this without going through a full new release cycle.
>
>As for the question of what the factory default setting is -- I don't know.
>David is investigating this now.
>
>- Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:24 PM
>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
>
>Regardless as to whether my embosser is set to the "default" or not, 
>DBT should be able to make the right calculation as to the correct 
>number of lines per page no matter what the Line Spacing is set in the
embosser.
>
>Just for interest sake, what should the default line spacing be when an 
>index Basic-D leaves the manufacturer.
>
>Sincerely:
>
>Dave Durber
>
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:57 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Hi Peter.
>>
>>Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head as usual, line spacing is 
>>not set
>at the default in Dave's embosser and that may be the issue.
>>
>>I wonder then could other parameters break this such as setting it to
>Japanese braille etc?
>>
>>I am a bit puzzled.
>>
>>Don
>>
>>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:26:47 -0400, Peter Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>>Don,
>>>
>>>That is not true.  Dave has in fact set things up correctly, by all 
>>>appearances.  My guess is that we just have the wrong value for the 
>>>number of lines that a Basic-D might put on 11" paper.  Perhaps this 
>>>is because Dave uses a spacing that we didn't anticipate.
>>>
>>>For the record, DBT's "Desired" top margin in *not* added to the top 
>>>margin specified in Device Settings.  Rather, DBT enforces the value 
>>>in Device Settings ad the minimum possible value for a desired top 
>>>margin.  DBT adds CR/LF pairs (or whatever line ending is 
>>>appropriate) when the desired top margin exceeds the Device Settings
value.
>>>
>>>- Peter
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda
>>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:08 PM
>>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
>>>
>>>Hi Dave.
>>>
>>>You have a top margin of 1 in the embosser setup and a top margin of 
>>>1 in the Index embosser itself. This is your problem.
>>>
>>>You can not have an option such as top margin set in both places.
>>>
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:32 -0400, Dave Durber wrote:
>>>
>>>>I own three Index Basic-D braille embossers. Firmware version II, 
>>>>software version 4.40 installed.
>>>>
>>>>Since the beginning of the Beta Cycle for the release of DBT 10.5, I 
>>>>have been trying to understand why I cannot emboss the desired 
>>>>number of lines per page from the embosser when using DBT 10.5.
>>>>
>>>>Following are the settings that I set in the Basic-D:
>>>>
>>>>Group Page Layout Menu
>>>>
>>>>Characters Per Line: 30
>>>>
>>>>Left Margin: 0
>>>>
>>>>B Margin: 0  (This is actually Binding Margin).
>>>>
>>>>Top Margin: 1
>>>>
>>>>Bottom Margin: 0
>>>>
>>>>Line Spacing: 5.2  (At this setting, with the top margin set to 1, 
>>>>the embosser can emboss 25 lines per page.  With a top margin of 0, 
>>>>the embosser can emboss 26 lines per page but the embosser starts 
>>>>embossing approximately 1 quarter of an inch from the top of the 
>>>>page, which is too near the top of the page.
>>>>
>>>>Page Mode: Double-Sided
>>>>
>>>>Print Mode: Normal
>>>>
>>>>page number: off
>>>>
>>>>Paper Length 1: 11 inches
>>>>
>>>>Paper Length 2: 11 inches
>>>>
>>>>Z-folding: Off
>>>>
>>>>Group Option Settings
>>>>
>>>>Word Wrap: Off
>>>>
>>>>Auto Line Feed: Off
>>>>
>>>>Form-Feed: Off
>>>>
>>>>Impact Level: 4
>>>>
>>>>Delay Time: 4
>>>>
>>>>Print Quality: Normal
>>>>
>>>>Graphic Dot Distance: 2.0
>>>>
>>>>Text Dot Distance: Normal Pring-out Mode 2.5
>>>>
>>>>Setup: Open
>>>>
>>>>Paper Jam: On
>>>>
>>>>Distance After File: 1
>>>>
>>>>DBT 10.5 Settings:
>>>>
>>>>Global Embosser Settings:
>>>>
>>>>Braiiller Device: Basic-D
>>>>
>>>>Under Brailler Device Edit Button:
>>>>
>>>>General Tab Page:
>>>>
>>>>Embosser Model: Index Basic-D
>>>>
>>>>Setup Name: Basic-D
>>>>
>>>>Default Form:  Narrow Width, 11 inch long, braille paper
>>>>
>>>>Output Options: Write to port
>>>>
>>>>Output to LPT1
>>>>
>>>>Device Settings Tab Page
>>>>
>>>>Embosser Version: Firmware Version II
>>>>
>>>>Left margin (extra cells): 0
>>>>
>>>>Rightmost cell placement: 30
>>>>
>>>>Top Margin setting: 1
>>>>
>>>>Interpoint embossing is enabled: checked
>>>>
>>>>Output encoding: North American
>>>>
>>>>High Punctuation: Uppercase
>>>>
>>>>Letter case: Lowercase
>>>>
>>>>Advanced Tab Page
>>>>
>>>>Job setup, use custom job setup: unchecked
>>>>
>>>>End of line indicator: Carriage Return, line feed (PC)
>>>>
>>>>End of page indicator: Form Feed Only
>>>>
>>>>EOL on a full line: Checked
>>>>
>>>>The last four buttons on this page are unchecked
>>>>
>>>>Returning to the Global Embosser Setup Page
>>>>
>>>>Braille formatting form: Narrow width, 11 inch long, braille paper
>>>>
>>>>Desired formatting:
>>>>
>>>>Characters per line: 30
>>>>
>>>>Lines per page: 25
>>>>
>>>>Top Margin: 1
>>>>
>>>>Binding Margin: 0
>>>>
>>>>Emboss in interpoint: Checked
>>>>
>>>>Emboss Banner page: unchecked
>>>>
>>>>When I emboss a file with the above settings, I do not get a braille 
>>>>file with 25 lines embossed on each side of the page as I would expect.
>>>>However, If I set the number of lines in DBT to 24, I get a braille 
>>>>output that has 24 lines of braille on each side of the sheet of paper.
>>>>
>>>>Please advise me as to how I can get 25 lines on each side of a 
>>>>sheet of paper, using the above settings.
>>>>
>>>>I have run out of ideas.
>>>>
>>>>Personally speaking, all of the embosser information should not be 
>>>>contained in one embosser such as "emb.elt".  It would be a far more 
>>>>sensible and logical, not only to say, more efficient for operating 
>>>>and troubleshooting reasons to have DBT create an individual file 
>>>>for each embosser that is installed.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely:
>>>>
>>>>Dave Durber
>>>>
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>>>
>>>Don Breda
>>>Duxbury Systems INC.
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>>
>>Don Breda
>>Duxbury Systems INC.
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Don Breda
Duxbury Systems INC.
Telephone: (617) 847-6000 Mon-Fri 09:00 to 05:00 Eastern time.
www.duxburysystems.com
Email: support@xxxxxxxxxx
Main office (978) 692-3000


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