[duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:29:47 -0400

Tesfaye,

When you say "in the past," do you mean with DBT 10.4, or with earlier DBT
10.5 beta software?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:22 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

Hello Peter,  Yes I do get this message.  In the past I use to get this
message only when the no of copies finished.

Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:16 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.


Tesfaye,

When you select "Index Everest..." to drive this embosser, do you still get
"Everest Ready" announcement between copies?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

Hello George,  It is Index Everest.  I just selected from the list you
provided.

Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: George Bell [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of George
Bell
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.


Why are you selecting Index Blue bar to drive an Everest?

Or have I misunderstood something?

George Bell. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 19 August 2004 17:00
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Sorry Peter,  I did misunderstand your instructions.  As soon as I 
> sent you an email, I realized what I did was wrong.
> However when I am embossing multi copies, Everest embosser is giving 
> "Everest ready" echo every time it embosses a page.
> Most of the time my business card file has only one page.  Is there 
> any way I could turn off that sound.  This only happens when I select 
> Index Basic (blue bar) machine.
> 
> Your assistance is very much appreciated.
> 
> Tesfaye
> CNIB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:16 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> I have no problem embossing this document.
> 
> Let me try again to ask the questions I asked earlier.  It seems that 
> you may have misunderstood them.
> 
> I am only interested in embossing from DBT 10.5; the success or 
> failure of other products, including DBT 10.4 isn't my concern.
> 
> DBT can emboss to an Index embosser by connecting directly to the 
> serial or parallel port to which the embosser is attached.  DBT can 
> also emboss to an Index embosser by connecting through the Index 
> driver.  One controls how DBT connects to the embosser by selecting 
> the embosser name in either Document, Embosser Setup or Global, 
> Embosser Setup.
> Then, you must click the Edit button and select either "Send to 
> Printer" (to write through the Index
> driver) or "Write to Port" (to write directly to the port to which the 
> embosser is attached).  I am interested to know whether you have tried 
> with each of these approaches.
> 
> If neither approach works, please try embossing to a file (choose the 
> third option -- "Write to File" after clicking the Edit button), and 
> then send this file to me.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:36 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello Peter,  I am just sending you a small file (1 page
> long) It works fine with DBT 10.4 version.  Index's own printer 
> drivers works.  Can you try this file? Thanks.
> 
> Tesfaye
> CNIB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:26 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> I agree -- worrisome is a good word.
> 
> I cannot think of any good reason why this would be happening in beta
> 6 and not in beta 5 (or beta 1, for that matter).
> We've changed little about the Index "drivers" in that time
> -- and absolutely nothing that should have any direct bearing since 
> beta 5.
> 
> Have you tried both:
>   - Embossing through Index's own printer drivers, and
>   - Embossing directly to a serial or parallel port?
> 
> If so, please try also embossing to a file, then send me the file.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:47 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello All,  This is becoming worrisome to me.  I am having the same 
> problems that I did not have in Beta 5.  Here at the CNIB, we do have
> 2 Index Basic-D and One Index 4 x 4 Pro.  I just tried Beta 6 version 
> of DBT on each of them and only a dot embossed.
> 
> Any ideas why this happens all the sudden.
> 
> Tesfaye
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Durber [mailto:dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:22 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Please, when responding to messages such as my original message, 
> specify not only the make but also the model by that particular 
> manufacturer.
> 
> If I didn't know Index products, I would not have a clue as to whether 
> you were talking about an Index Basic-D, Index Basic-S, Index 4 x 4, 
> etc.
> 
> Saying that your embosser has 10.4, tells me absolutely nothing about 
> the model of embosser.
> 
> Index might have an embosser called 10.4.
> 
> The number 10.4 might refer to the firmware that is installed, or it 
> could be the particular version of the software that your machine has 
> loaded.
> 
> Sincerely:
> 
> Dave Durber
> 
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:54:09 -1000, you wrote:
> 
> >My 2 cents worth:
> >My Index is 10.4.
> >I have the top margin on the embosser set to 1.
> >In DBT I have desired lines at 25 and top to 0.
> >The default line spacing is 5.0.
> >
> >At 08:24 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>I agree in principle that DBT should be able to calculate
> these things
> >>correctly, provided only that you tell DBT what the line spacing is.
> >>Of course, that suggests that DBT would ask.  However,
> we're not able
> >>to add that feature before release.
> >>
> >>The good news for all concerned is that DBT's embosser
> setup & driving
> >>is contained in a separate DLL, so we'll be able to touch up things 
> >>like this without going through a full new release cycle.
> >>
> >>As for the question of what the factory default setting is
> -- I don't
> know.
> >>David is investigating this now.
> >>
> >>- Peter
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:24 PM
> >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per
> braille page.
> >>
> >>Regardless as to whether my embosser is set to the
> "default" or not,
> >>DBT should be able to make the right calculation as to the correct 
> >>number of lines per page no matter what the Line Spacing is
> set in the
> embosser.
> >>
> >>Just for interest sake, what should the default line
> spacing be when
> >>an index Basic-D leaves the manufacturer.
> >>
> >>Sincerely:
> >>
> >>Dave Durber
> >>
> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:57 -0400, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Peter.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head as usual, line
> spacing is
> >> >not set
> >>at the default in Dave's embosser and that may be the issue.
> >> >
> >> >I wonder then could other parameters break this such as
> setting it
> >> >to
> >>Japanese braille etc?
> >> >
> >> >I am a bit puzzled.
> >> >
> >> >Don
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:26:47 -0400, Peter Sullivan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Don,
> >> >>
> >> >>That is not true.  Dave has in fact set things up
> correctly, by all
> >> >>appearances.  My guess is that we just have the wrong
> value for the
> >> >>number of lines that a Basic-D might put on 11" paper.  Perhaps 
> >> >>this is because Dave uses a spacing that we didn't anticipate.
> >> >>
> >> >>For the record, DBT's "Desired" top margin in *not* added to the 
> >> >>top margin specified in Device Settings.  Rather, DBT
> enforces the
> >> >>value in Device Settings ad the minimum possible value for a 
> >> >>desired top margin.  DBT adds CR/LF pairs (or whatever
> line ending
> >> >>is appropriate) when the desired top margin exceeds the Device 
> >> >>Settings
> value.
> >> >>
> >> >>- Peter
> >> >>
> >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda
> >> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:08 PM
> >> >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per
> braille page.
> >> >>
> >> >>Hi Dave.
> >> >>
> >> >>You have a top margin of 1 in the embosser setup and a
> top margin
> >> >>of 1 in the Index embosser itself. This is your problem.
> >> >>
> >> >>You can not have an option such as top margin set in both places.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Don
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:32 -0400, Dave Durber wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>I own three Index Basic-D braille embossers. Firmware
> version II,
> >> >>>software version 4.40 installed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Since the beginning of the Beta Cycle for the release
> of DBT 10.5,
> >> >>>I have been trying to understand why I cannot emboss
> the desired
> >> >>>number of lines per page from the embosser when using DBT 10.5.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Following are the settings that I set in the Basic-D:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Group Page Layout Menu
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Characters Per Line: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Left Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>B Margin: 0  (This is actually Binding Margin).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Bottom Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Line Spacing: 5.2  (At this setting, with the top
> margin set to 1,
> >> >>>the embosser can emboss 25 lines per page.  With a top
> margin of
> >> >>>0, the embosser can emboss 26 lines per page but the embosser 
> >> >>>starts embossing approximately 1 quarter of an inch
> from the top
> >> >>>of the page, which is too near the top of the page.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Page Mode: Double-Sided
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Print Mode: Normal
> >> >>>
> >> >>>page number: off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Length 1: 11 inches
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Length 2: 11 inches
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Z-folding: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Group Option Settings
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Word Wrap: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Auto Line Feed: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Form-Feed: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Impact Level: 4
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Delay Time: 4
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Print Quality: Normal
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Graphic Dot Distance: 2.0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Text Dot Distance: Normal Pring-out Mode 2.5
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Setup: Open
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Jam: On
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Distance After File: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>DBT 10.5 Settings:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Global Embosser Settings:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Braiiller Device: Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Under Brailler Device Edit Button:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>General Tab Page:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Embosser Model: Index Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Setup Name: Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Default Form:  Narrow Width, 11 inch long, braille paper
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output Options: Write to port
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output to LPT1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Device Settings Tab Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Embosser Version: Firmware Version II
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Left margin (extra cells): 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Rightmost cell placement: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin setting: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Interpoint embossing is enabled: checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output encoding: North American
> >> >>>
> >> >>>High Punctuation: Uppercase
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Letter case: Lowercase
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Advanced Tab Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Job setup, use custom job setup: unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>End of line indicator: Carriage Return, line feed (PC)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>End of page indicator: Form Feed Only
> >> >>>
> >> >>>EOL on a full line: Checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The last four buttons on this page are unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Returning to the Global Embosser Setup Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Braille formatting form: Narrow width, 11 inch long,
> braille paper
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Desired formatting:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Characters per line: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Lines per page: 25
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Binding Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Emboss in interpoint: Checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Emboss Banner page: unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>When I emboss a file with the above settings, I do not get a 
> >> >>>braille file with 25 lines embossed on each side of the
> page as I
> would expect.
> >> >>>However, If I set the number of lines in DBT to 24, I get a 
> >> >>>braille output that has 24 lines of braille on each side of the 
> >> >>>sheet
> of paper.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Please advise me as to how I can get 25 lines on each side of a 
> >> >>>sheet of paper, using the above settings.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I have run out of ideas.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Personally speaking, all of the embosser information
> should not be
> >> >>>contained in one embosser such as "emb.elt".  It would be a far 
> >> >>>more sensible and logical, not only to say, more efficient for 
> >> >>>operating and troubleshooting reasons to have DBT create an 
> >> >>>individual file for each embosser that is installed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sincerely:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Dave Durber
> >> >>>
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> >> >>Don Breda
> >> >>Duxbury Systems INC.
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