[ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
- From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 23:14:08 -0500
Yes. But you know what I mean. I'm glad you have this device. I wish I
did. But I have no intention of buying something for which spare parts
can't be had, even if I had the chance, which I don't, and for which service
is a dying art.
With that, I think I'll retire.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick Dotson
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:57 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
Those of us who are user's find that Richard and his company do as credible
or better a job than did TSI for whom he worked during the development and
life of the device. For instance, some of our Optacons had vibration rates
higher than factory spec. They make the letters or whatever symbols you're
reading feel crisper at lower thresholds, that is, with thinner lines. He
will leave them at that spec if we ask him to, and I'm going to have him
bump up Margie's Optacon to the spec of my "over clocked" array. (grin)
That's the beauty of having a technician who uses the device in question...
(grin)
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:50 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
It's unfortunate. Regretably, I'm not interested in unsupported hardware.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick Dotson
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:40 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
They haven't been made for quite some time. The R1D or R1C are what you
want as the array consists of 144 tactors, whereas the Optacon II series had
considerably less granularity with either 100 or 124 pins. Richard Oehm is
the most famous repair person in the US, and has restored and sells units.
Others become available as people pass, or they are reclaimed from
inventories of agencies and institutions on the way to the dumpster...
People lost interest because the learning process requires discipline and
practice much like learning a musical instrument, and people wanted
something like the instant gratification found in the use of computer-based
OCR. Sure OCR lets us go through vast quantities of print, and now with
accuracy undreamt of when the talking Optacon was being tested for the
Veteran's Administration and Reagan killed it, I was a beta-tester... But
you can look at schematics, music, clothing patterns and stains,
handwriting, and complex layouts, and it's your hand and brain doing the
interpolation--so the limits of what the device can do is in You the User...
There are training materials downloadable and printable from Freedom
Scientific, as they/or Blazie Engineering bought up the orphaned Telesensory
Technology when Larry Israel, formerly founder and CEO of Visual
Technologies VTEK for whom I worked 1985-89 killed off the blindness
products and center-piece of TSI.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:30 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
I never saw or used one. I understand how they work. Do they still make
them? How much are they?
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tina E
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:34 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
Do you know how to use an Optacon? That would get you as close to the
print representation as a totally blind person can get!
Tina E
Please feel free to visit my blog,
Tina's Virtual BackPack:
http://tvbp.wordpress.com
tina-e@xxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
I never intended to deal with Braille on this thing. I never learned
music
braille because it was too arcane.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick Dotson
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:30 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
I remember using the Compositor tapes to generate Braille stuff in the
early
80's, but it still took allot of human intervention. (grin) It was a
big
day when it started migrating from Joe Sullivan's mainframe and
mini-computer Duxbury Braille translation onto micros. David
Holladay, and
his first blind math PHD lady Karyn Navy ran Braille Edit, on an Apple
II+,
with translation tables, and later style-based formatting, on Apple
II+ and
later... Joe used to insist that Braille translation had to be
strictly
lookup table-based and could only run with the resources then
available on
mainframes and minis. David contended that algorithms could be used
because even though there were heuristics in the code, it was
essentially
rule-based. Now there was a rather forward thinking but technically
premature solution "translation in a box" the Ransley Translator and
embosser's that claimed you didn't need a computer-based translator...
Well...
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:31 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
> Interesting. During the late 1970s I worked in a documentation
> department in a modern company, and even though the typesetting was
> done via a machine
and
> the data stored on mag tapes, the galleys were delivered to
> illustrators
who
> cut/pasted/glued the text along with illustrations to the cardboard
masters,
> ready for the camera. No electronic form of the actual page layouts
existed
> until the mid-80s.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 14:41
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
>
>
> They had compositor tapes for typesetting, and certainly electronic
> data storage for typeset books by '79.
>
> Nick
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <albertm13@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:27 PM
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
>
>> I'm a little skeptical about there being an electronic version since
>> the book was first published in 69 and the second edition (what I
>> have) was done in 79.
>>
>> Albert
>>
>> --- Nick wrote ---
>> ...
>> It would be better to have the copyright holder/publisher give some
>> organization the data probably an XTML document and let some
>> knowledgeable people deal with it. ...
>>
>>
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