[ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
- From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:44:35 -0500
In terms of Literary braille, you can indeed read multiple lines and learn to
read by phrase, much as to proficient sighted readers, but it uses a harder to
master sweep technique than the hands straight across the line method for the
average taught by schools and teachers of adventitiously blinded people, who
didn't really expect much out of their students... You can't, of course do
that as musical notation as it must necessarily be represented linearly.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:35 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
I just never felt like learning it because my ears were so much faster. The
fact that you can't read multiple lines with your hands and you can't read
and play simultaneously, combined with the physical bulk of Braille scores
simply turned me off.
I learned plenty of classical literature on tape as a kid and I just
flat never had any use for something that I could learn faster without it.
George Shearing is a dear friend and he tried to encourage me to borrow the
Spanner Manual from the library. I checked it out and I understand the
basics of Music Braille. But that's getting off the topic. This is a 500
page print book. You can only imagine how much space it would consume on my
book shelves. I don't have the space for something like that.
At the end of the day, music Braille doesn't make it for me and
that's just a personal choice. I mean no disrespec to those who find it a
useful medium.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick Dotson
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:44 PM
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Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
Ludicrous! The different codes used to convey numerical and literary data
in print, the lack of uniformity within the codes used to represent musical
and mathematical notation, and foreign languages in print aren't arcane? I
fear I'm hearing a case of the logic of "special pleading" here. It's weak
to put it kindly.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
I never intended to deal with Braille on this thing. I never learned music
braille because it was too arcane.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick Dotson
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:30 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
I remember using the Compositor tapes to generate Braille stuff in the early
80's, but it still took allot of human intervention. (grin) It was a big
day when it started migrating from Joe Sullivan's mainframe and
mini-computer Duxbury Braille translation onto micros. David Holladay, and
his first blind math PHD lady Karyn Navy ran Braille Edit, on an Apple II+,
with translation tables, and later style-based formatting, on Apple II+ and
later... Joe used to insist that Braille translation had to be strictly
lookup table-based and could only run with the resources then available on
mainframes and minis. David contended that algorithms could be used
because even though there were heuristics in the code, it was essentially
rule-based. Now there was a rather forward thinking but technically
premature solution "translation in a box" the Ransley Translator and
embosser's that claimed you didn't need a computer-based translator...
Well...
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:31 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
> Interesting. During the late 1970s I worked in a documentation
> department in
> a modern company, and even though the typesetting was done via a machine
and
> the data stored on mag tapes, the galleys were delivered to
> illustrators
who
> cut/pasted/glued the text along with illustrations to the cardboard
masters,
> ready for the camera. No electronic form of the actual page layouts
existed
> until the mid-80s.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 14:41
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
>
>
> They had compositor tapes for typesetting, and certainly electronic
> data storage for typeset books by '79.
>
> Nick
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <albertm13@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:27 PM
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
>
>> I'm a little skeptical about there being an electronic version since
>> the book was first published in 69 and the second edition (what I
>> have) was done in 79.
>>
>> Albert
>>
>> --- Nick wrote ---
>> ...
>> It would be better to have the copyright holder/publisher give some
>> organization the data probably an XTML document and let some
>> knowledgeable people deal with it. ...
>>
>>
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