[ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
- From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:46:17 -0500
The most successful Optacon user's have often been those with prior familiarity
with print and it's layouts. (grin) I knew a diabetic who physically couldn't
get anywhere with Braille, but flourished with the Optacon.
Nick
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From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:36 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
Actually, I wasn't thining of using the opticon to read the music. I just
thought it was a solution for reading the text. I can see the notation.
It's just that the book is, like I said, 400 plus pages and it would be so
much easier not to try and read it with my failing peepers. You know?
K.
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Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
Quite rightly, as Donavan used to say... My Angel-Bride Margie used to read
and learn from staved notation when she didn't have a Braille transcription
available using the Optacon. However, she had one of the most wonderful
things for those wanting to understand printed musical notation, the Betes
Music Guide (spelling?) and I'm not sure it's still available, but it was
brought to the blind musical community of the world by "perfidious Albion"
the British and the RNIB if memory serves. I still have it somewhere around
here, but between the age of 4 and her death at 44, some, probably not many
of the irreplaceable characters were lost.
Nick
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From: "Tina E" <tina-e@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:34 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
> Do you know how to use an Optacon? That would get you as close to the
> print representation as a totally blind person can get!
>
> Tina E
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> From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:27 PM
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>
> I never intended to deal with Braille on this thing. I never learned
> music
> braille because it was too arcane.
>
>
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>
> I remember using the Compositor tapes to generate Braille stuff in the
> early
> 80's, but it still took allot of human intervention. (grin) It was a
> big
> day when it started migrating from Joe Sullivan's mainframe and
> mini-computer Duxbury Braille translation onto micros. David
> Holladay, and
> his first blind math PHD lady Karyn Navy ran Braille Edit, on an Apple
> II+,
> with translation tables, and later style-based formatting, on Apple
> II+ and
> later... Joe used to insist that Braille translation had to be
> strictly
> lookup table-based and could only run with the resources then
> available on
> mainframes and minis. David contended that algorithms could be used
> because even though there were heuristics in the code, it was
> essentially
> rule-based. Now there was a rather forward thinking but technically
> premature solution "translation in a box" the Ransley Translator and
> embosser's that claimed you didn't need a computer-based translator...
> Well...
>
> Nick
>
>
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> From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:31 PM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
>
>
>> Interesting. During the late 1970s I worked in a documentation
>> department in a modern company, and even though the typesetting was
>> done via a machine
> and
>> the data stored on mag tapes, the galleys were delivered to
>> illustrators
> who
>> cut/pasted/glued the text along with illustrations to the cardboard
> masters,
>> ready for the camera. No electronic form of the actual page layouts
> existed
>> until the mid-80s.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 14:41
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
>>
>>
>> They had compositor tapes for typesetting, and certainly electronic
>> data storage for typeset books by '79.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: <albertm13@xxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:27 PM
>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.T. Best way to get print book accessible?
>>
>>> I'm a little skeptical about there being an electronic version
>>> since
>>> the book was first published in 69 and the second edition (what I
>>> have) was done in 79.
>>>
>>> Albert
>>>
>>> --- Nick wrote ---
>>> ...
>>> It would be better to have the copyright holder/publisher give some
>>> organization the data probably an XTML document and let some
>>> knowledgeable people deal with it. ...
>>>
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