Pam some sites use their own jump links to accomplish things. By jump link I mean that the link you see is linked to the real url which then accesses the stream. Bill Sparks does this a lot, the urls in the Realplay AV database do this, and I believe so does Vtuner. Radiotime also does something similar. If you *must* have the true url, use the url finder in RAV or a media player itself. There is an advantage to the jump link concept, as I call it. The jump link doesn't have to change even if the underlying url changes so long as those maintaining the database internally update. I recall that discussion of Music of Your life; and it was through Vtuner that I finally was able to give you something that you could bookmark and get to directly. I wasn't using RAV at the time; you've got my curiosity stirred and I should see what the urlfinder does with that VTuner link. -- To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in subject To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx