Marissa, thinking about the general user, the forced presence or absence of page numbers in a book will satisfy no more than half of our users. I suggest that whatever portion of the original header left in the final version of a book be strippable through an option of the unpack tool. In a better design, page numbers should be inserted in an XML tag. If the user decides to read the book with a Daisy reader, he/she should leave headers in the book at umpacking time. Daisy readers like Victor Soft, Bookcourier, Kurzweil, etc. . . need to be enhanced so to be able to read these headers inline or ignore them during continuous reading. Users that read in txt or BRF using simple text editors, and who prefer not to hear/touch headers during reading should be able to apply the header removal at umpacking time. Kurzweil is already capable of dealing with headers in an elegant way: read inline, ignore them but keep in the file, strip with intelligence, strip radically. And of course chapter headers need to be handled in a different way from repeating page headers/footers. Whatever Benetech does, please do not force the simplistic static presence of page headers in books for all readers. That would be a real disaster for at least half of our subscribers, which ultimately means a real debacle for the Bookshare Initiative as a whole. Guido Guido Dante Corona IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx. Research Division, Phone: 512. 838. 9735. Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able "Marissa Mika" <Marissa.M@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/06/2005 02:08 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Page Stripping Update Hello Everyone, So we had our first round of discussion Monday on modifying the header stripper and putting page numbers into the text body of the books we produce, as opposed to our current book processing. There are a couple of issues that we need to address both internally and within the broader context of the Bookshare.org community before we can make a final decision regarding the header stripper. One of the key issues is with regards to feedback and input. All of the feedback we?ve received from the volunteer list has been extremely informative and vital to the stripper and page number discussion. However, we recognize that the volunteer community and indeed the active volunteer list members are only a small sampling of those who use Bookshare.org. Before we make a book processing decision that impacts everyone, we?d like to take a broader survey of our users. I will be working with Operations to create a survey to that effect over the next several weeks. After we run the survey, we?ll process the information and put together a series of steps as to how to move forward. In the meantime, thanks for your patience and thanks for bringing this to our attention. I hope this is the first step in taking this conversation off the list and into some sort of coherent policy change or statement. Thanks, Marissa