[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Stripping Update
- From: Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:47:03 -0500
Rick, I couldn't agree more. In this context a survey should be used
only to determine if the method I propose is serving all users, or if
we are missing something obvious in spite of our good effort.
Guido Dante Corona
IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
Research Division,
Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Web: http://www.ibm.com/able
"Rick Ely" <ely.r@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Guido
I agree strongly. The whole point of creating the Daisy standard was to
allow for just the flexibility that you describe. If page numbers are
stripped now from books submitted, then, for all purposes, they are gone
forever unless volunteers want to sit with a print copy and replace them.
Like you, I fear that a general survey will suggest indifference to page
numbering on the part of many users.In fact, some may complain that
hearing those numbers is a distraction from their reading. This is a bit
like asking all readers if bibliographies should be removed from books,
after all, they take up a lot of pages and how many readers ever use them.
A major issue to be considered is the long term value of the BookShare
collection. Without page numbering the books become like the NLS cassette
collection, many good books, but for pleasure reading not for scholarship.
Marissa, if a survey is to be used then please also consider eliciting
responses from Benetech's fellow
members of the Daisy Consortium. To much time and effort has been put into
this collection to have its future governed by the acceptance of a lowest
common denominator approach to formatting.
Rick
I support strongly your concept of an unpack stripper. Until full
implementation of the Daisy standard a reader can choose to paginate or
not.
----- Original Message -----
From: Guido Corona
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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Stripping Update
Marissa, thinking about the general user, the forced presence or absence
of page numbers in a book will satisfy no more than half of our users. I
suggest that whatever portion of the original header left in the final
version of a book be strippable through an option of the unpack tool.
In a better design, page numbers should be inserted in an XML tag.
If the user decides to read the book with a Daisy reader, he/she should
leave headers in the book at umpacking time. Daisy readers like Victor
Soft, Bookcourier, Kurzweil, etc. . . need to be enhanced so to be able
to read these headers inline or ignore them during continuous reading.
Users that read in txt or BRF using simple text editors, and who prefer
not to hear/touch headers during reading should be able to apply the
header removal at umpacking time.
Kurzweil is already capable of dealing with headers in an elegant way:
read inline, ignore them but keep in the file, strip with intelligence,
strip radically.
And of course chapter headers need to be handled in a different way from
repeating page headers/footers.
Whatever Benetech does, please do not force the simplistic static
presence of page headers in books for all readers. That would be a real
disaster for at least half of our subscribers, which ultimately means a
real debacle for the Bookshare Initiative as a whole.
Guido
Guido Dante Corona
IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
Research Division,
Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
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"Marissa Mika" <Marissa.M@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hello Everyone,
So we had our first round of discussion Monday on modifying the header
stripper and putting page numbers into the text body of the books we
produce, as opposed to our current book processing. There are a couple of
issues that we need to address both internally and within the broader
context of the Bookshare.org community before we can make a final decision
regarding the header stripper. One of the key issues is with regards to
feedback and input.
All of the feedback we?ve received from the volunteer list has been
extremely informative and vital to the stripper and page number
discussion. However, we recognize that the volunteer community and indeed
the active volunteer list members are only a small sampling of those who
use Bookshare.org. Before we make a book processing decision that impacts
everyone, we?d like to take a broader survey of our users. I will be
working with Operations to create a survey to that effect over the next
several weeks.
After we run the survey, we?ll process the information and put together a
series of steps as to how to move forward. In the meantime, thanks for
your patience and thanks for bringing this to our attention. I hope this
is the first step in taking this conversation off the list and into some
sort of coherent policy change or statement.
Thanks,
Marissa
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