[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions

Unfortunately, the school I got my first dog from was and still is a highly
reputable school.  Thinking back, there were aggression signs back in
training.  She lunged at a trainer one day, because he came toward me with a
jacket draped over his arm.  We figured it must have looked threatening to
her, but her reaction was inappropriate.

I'd tell you where the dog was from, but it really doesn't matter.  I
believe dogs from every school have exhibited aggressiveness, and it's
sometimes very difficult to catch before they go out the door with their new
person.

Often, it's the environment and the new handler's style that precipitate
unexpected results.
 

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elizabeth and
Burton
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:45 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions

My school would have tested out the dog in various situations with various
kinds of people and would reject any dog displaying such symptoms.  A blind
person has enough to do whtout handling that.  No reputable school these
days lets such a dog out after training.  No reputable school in the past
did either.  I know this casts your school whoever it is in a bad light but
I have worked with dogs for thirty years and it is simply not fair to the
blind person or general public to work with such animals in social
situations (which means in a world with people grin!).

E.


At 07:16 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
>I agree.  The first dog I received was a German shepherd who, for some 
>reason I never learned, didn't like Asian people.  I remember warning a 
>friend who was Chinese not to pet her.  He didn't listen, and she bit him.
>Not badly, but to bite him at all was bad.  She was very protective of 
>me in general, and I feared that other such incidents would occur.  She 
>did retire early, but due to hip dysplasia.  I kept her because she was 
>an excellent guide, and we worked well together, but in the back of my 
>mind I felt guilty, because I knew she might bite again.  I've had two 
>dogs since then, and neither has demonstrated such tendencies.
>
>I'm thinking about getting another dog, but that opens a whole new can 
>of worms.  I haven't decided how people will react to the dog.  I've 
>done my current job for the past five years as a cane user, and I'm not 
>sure how people's opinions will change if I get a dog.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shelley L. 
>Rhodes
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:59 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid 
>questions
>
>Yes indeed that is definitely over protectiness and that dog should be 
>retired.  I have met several dogs, who were "managed" like your friends 
>dog and all of them ended up retiring early usually after the escalated 
>into nipping people or other dogs.
>
>Aggression is a trait that we do not want to see in a guide dog of any 
>breed.
>
>Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
>and Judson, guiding golden
>juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
>Graduate Alumni Association Board
>www.guidedogs.com
>
>Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
>  Puppies are the joy at one end.
>  Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
>Carolyn Alexander
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "robert tweedy" <roberttweedy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:10 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid 
>questions
>
>
>That sounds like over protectness, our school wouldn't like that.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:47 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid 
>questions
>
>
> >I would question the wisdom of any school letting a dog out into 
> >everyday reality which reacted in such a way to sudden moves.  Just 
> >my opinion.  My school certainly would cull such a dog out.  It is 
> >just too unsafe for the dog's person otherwise.
> >
> > E.
> >
> >
> > At 01:44 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >>Once I was in a restaurant with a friend who had a guide dog, hallf 
> >>German shephere and half German police.  The dog was a good worker 
> >>but did not like sudden moves.  A man at our table dropped the lid 
> >>to the catsup bottle on the floor under the table.  The dog was 
> >>under there, and his partnner warned the man not to get the top 
> >>because the dog might bite.  Well, the man did not listen and the 
> >>dog bit him.  Since there were witnesses that the man had been 
> >>warned, the man did not press charges, but did need a few stitches.
> >>
> >>Sue S.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:08 PM
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid 
> >>questions
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't mind if people ask to pet my dog, particularly if he is 
> >>laying down somewhere, or if I am in a familiar place, like my 
> >>church, at Western, or at my job this summer.  In fact Judson knows 
> >>the command "Go say hi" and knows he is allowed to be a dog, when I 
> >>give that command.
> >>
> >>Now... I do need to reinforce this sigh, at the church though as a 
> >>couple of the girls are taking liberties.
> >>
> >>But I don't have a problem with people who ask if I have the time.
> >>
> >>But if I say NO there is a reason why I am saying NO, and please 
> >>respect that, smile.
> >>
> >>Some people don't.
> >>
> >>Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> >>and Judson, guiding golden
> >>juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> >>Graduate Alumni Association Board
> >>www.guidedogs.com
> >>
> >>Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> >>  Puppies are the joy at one end.
> >>  Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> >>Carolyn Alexander
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <barbarab65@xxxxxxx>
> >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:02 PM
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid 
> >>questions
> >>
> >>
> >>Sometimes, in the right circumstances, I ask people who are not 
> >>blind if I can pet their dog. Therefore, it would seem normal for me 
> >>to ask someone who is
> >>  in blind, in the right circumstances, if I could pet his or her dog.
> >> Now, I
> >>know  not to do this, anymore. I think that the sign helps because 
> >>it is a natural  inclination to pet dogs.
> >>
> >>Blind
> >>
> >>
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