[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions
- From: Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:48:55 -0500
I have the same experience so I too do not use signs. They just pet the
dog and then read the sign. Why burden puppy with a sign? He has enough
to do.
E.
At 04:30 PM 12/3/2006, you wrote:
Not everyone uses a sign on their dog's harness. I don't. Wherever I've
been, they've never done much good. I found myself asking people not to pet
my dog, anyway, so I figured if I was going to have to do that, anyway, why
bother with a sign? <smile> I do know a lot of people have had good luck
with them, but I know a lot of people like me who haven't, so I guess it
depends on who you have to deal with on a daily basis. I don't even bother
anymore with a sign and don't even own one anymore. Take care.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions
I have never owned a guide dog. I am a cane user. So, although I have been
around guide dogs and know they are not supposed to be petted when working,
I didn't realize there is a sign that says not to pet them. It seems people
do not always pay attention to signs.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:07 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions
Yes, that's just downright deliberately mean. It's too
bad your dogs aren't allowed to be trained to snap at
growl at unwanted pesterers.
Cindy
--- Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Or the ones who follow you for a block or two saying
> things as they walk
> behind you like "I don't believe you are blind. If
> you were blind you
> would not be able to get around like that. (this
> while I am going along
> with my dog) Aren't there homes for you so you
> aren't on the street scaring
> the rest of us?" (apparently by walking down the
> street) At this point, I
> usually shout for help or get a copy to help
> unattach this hanger on
> particularly if the hanger on seems about to stay
> for another block or two
> or is waxing beligerent or seems drunk or otherwise
> impaired.
>
> E.
> At 11:38 PM 12/2/2006, you wrote:
> >True, but when you are tired, concentrating on
> homework and just wanting to
> >relax, concentrating on the road ahead in case the
> bus driver happens to
> >forget you are there, they can get to be extremely
> annoying questions.
> >
> >Smile.
> >
> >Actually today in Walmart I had a very young and
> unsupervised tgirl come up
> >and start to harrass Judson and I. What bugged me
> is that Judson was trying
> >to do his job at the time, but she wouldn't leave
> us alone. Smile.
> >
> >
> >Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> >and Judson, guiding golden
> >juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> >Graduate Alumni Association Board
> >www.guidedogs.com
> >
> >Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> >Carolyn Alexander
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:33 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> reactions and stpid questions
> >
> >
> >Those are questions anyone with a dog might be
> asked,
> >Shelley, at least what is your dog's name, what
> breed
> >is it, and, can I pet him/her--especially children.
> >Whebn my adult children join us at an outside table
> >where we have a sandwich, with their baby and their
> >dog, people--adults-- stop and ask about one or the
> >other, depending on whether they're "dog" people or
> >"baby" people--rarely both, now that I come to
> think
> >of it. Children, and even adults, will ask if it's
> >o.k. to pet the dog.
> >
> >Cindy
> >
> >
> >--- "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >wrote:
> >
> > > I always wanted to but haven't done it yet.
> > >
> > > When I get on the buses in Kalamazoo, I would
> always
> > > get.
> > >
> > > What is your dog's name? How long have you had
> him?
> > > Is he trained? What
> > > breed is it?
> > >
> > > These are usually questions posed by bratty
> > > ttenagers not people who
> > > sincerely want to know.
> > >
> > > I want to turn around and says.
> > >
> > > And How old are you? What breed are you? Have
> you
> > > been trained? (as it
> > > doesn't appear to be so to me),
> > >
> > > Smile, but haven't done it, don't have the guts
> too.
> > >
> > > Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> > > and Judson, guiding golden
> > > juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> > > Graduate Alumni Association Board
> > > www.guidedogs.com
> > >
> > > Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > > Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > > Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> > > Carolyn Alexander
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:45 AM
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: people's reactions
> and
> > > stpid questions
> > >
> > >
> > > I suspect the same insensitive people ask
> similar
> > > question of people with other disabilities, too.
> I
> > > think I would be tempted to reply by asking them
> the
> > > same question, e.g., re the living alone--"Do
> you?"
> > > As
> > > to your first example--it's hardd tp imagine
> people
> > > being that crass.
> > >
> > > The situation that has always puzzled me is
> whether
> > > or
> > > not to help people in wheelchairs by opening
> doors
> > > for
> > > them. I want to be helpful but I don't want them
> to
> > > feel that I think they can't be independent. I
> > > usually
> > > wait to see whether it appears that they need
> help,
> > > i.e., if they have to turn the sheelchair to
> back
> > > out,
> > > or have to reach forward, I open the door--or is
> > > someone else is pushing the chair. I try to let
> > > people
> > > be as independent as possible, but I don't want
> them
> > > to think I'm being uncaring, either--nor do I
> want
> > > people to think I pity them, because I don't. I
> > > admire
> > > people who don't let any kind of disability get
> in
> > > their way of living life. I'm not so sure I
> could do
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually that bothers me too. I am also
> bothered
> > > by
> > > > strangers walking up
> > > > to me and saying "I have never watched a blind
> > > > person ((fill in the blank
> > > > such as eat a salad or do some task.) I am
> happy
> > > to
> > > > talk about myself but
> > > > this is different than having no boundaries
> where
> > > my
> > > > being blind means I am
> > > > on display for the interest of others or need
> to
> > > > interrupt what I am doing
> > > > to discuss my life with you.
> > > >
> > > > I am also amazed at the fact that total
> strangers
> > > > have come up to me and
> > > > asked me things about my personal life. It
> would
> > > > never occur to me to walk
> > > > up to someone and say "Do you live alone?" "Do
> you
> > > > have children?" and
> > > > such. I mean if I am having a conversation
> with
> > > you
> > > > you might ask me that
> > > > if you knew me a bit but total strangers
> somehow
> > > > figure they have the right
> > > > to ask personal things because we are visibly
> > > > disabled.
> > > >
> > > > E.
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Not everyone uses a sign on their dog's harness. I don't. Wherever I've been, they've never done much good. I found myself asking people not to pet my dog, anyway, so I figured if I was going to have to do that, anyway, why bother with a sign? <smile> I do know a lot of people have had good luck with them, but I know a lot of people like me who haven't, so I guess it depends on who you have to deal with on a daily basis. I don't even bother anymore with a sign and don't even own one anymore. Take care. -- Julie Morales Email & Windows/MSN Messenger: mercy421@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.youravon.com/juliemorales Currently in Winchester Regional, Virginia Clear, 42F°(6C°) Wind:Calm Did you know that you are more likely to be killed by a champagne cork than by a poisonous spider? ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions I have never owned a guide dog. I am a cane user. So, although I have been around guide dogs and know they are not supposed to be petted when working, I didn't realize there is a sign that says not to pet them. It seems people do not always pay attention to signs. Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:07 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions Yes, that's just downright deliberately mean. It's too bad your dogs aren't allowed to be trained to snap at growl at unwanted pesterers. Cindy --- Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Or the ones who follow you for a block or two saying > things as they walk > behind you like "I don't believe you are blind. If > you were blind you > would not be able to get around like that. (this > while I am going along > with my dog) Aren't there homes for you so you > aren't on the street scaring > the rest of us?" (apparently by walking down the > street) At this point, I > usually shout for help or get a copy to help > unattach this hanger on > particularly if the hanger on seems about to stay > for another block or two > or is waxing beligerent or seems drunk or otherwise > impaired. > > E. > At 11:38 PM 12/2/2006, you wrote: > >True, but when you are tired, concentrating on > homework and just wanting to > >relax, concentrating on the road ahead in case the > bus driver happens to > >forget you are there, they can get to be extremely > annoying questions. > > > >Smile. > > > >Actually today in Walmart I had a very young and > unsupervised tgirl come up > >and start to harrass Judson and I. What bugged me > is that Judson was trying > >to do his job at the time, but she wouldn't leave > us alone. Smile. > > > > > >Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI > >and Judson, guiding golden > >juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. > >Graduate Alumni Association Board > >www.guidedogs.com > > > >Dog ownership is like a rainbow. > > Puppies are the joy at one end. > > Old dogs are the treasure at the other. > >Carolyn Alexander > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:33 PM > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's > reactions and stpid questions > > > > > >Those are questions anyone with a dog might be > asked, > >Shelley, at least what is your dog's name, what > breed > >is it, and, can I pet him/her--especially children. > >Whebn my adult children join us at an outside table > >where we have a sandwich, with their baby and their > >dog, people--adults-- stop and ask about one or the > >other, depending on whether they're "dog" people or > >"baby" people--rarely both, now that I come to > think > >of it. Children, and even adults, will ask if it's > >o.k. to pet the dog. > > > >Cindy > > > > > >--- "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >wrote: > > > > > I always wanted to but haven't done it yet. > > > > > > When I get on the buses in Kalamazoo, I would > always > > > get. > > > > > > What is your dog's name? How long have you had > him? > > > Is he trained? What > > > breed is it? > > > > > > These are usually questions posed by bratty > > > ttenagers not people who > > > sincerely want to know. > > > > > > I want to turn around and says. > > > > > > And How old are you? What breed are you? Have > you > > > been trained? (as it > > > doesn't appear to be so to me), > > > > > > Smile, but haven't done it, don't have the guts > too. > > > > > > Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI > > > and Judson, guiding golden > > > juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. > > > Graduate Alumni Association Board > > > www.guidedogs.com > > > > > > Dog ownership is like a rainbow. > > > Puppies are the joy at one end. > > > Old dogs are the treasure at the other. > > > Carolyn Alexander > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:45 AM > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: people's reactions > and > > > stpid questions > > > > > > > > > I suspect the same insensitive people ask > similar > > > question of people with other disabilities, too. > I > > > think I would be tempted to reply by asking them > the > > > same question, e.g., re the living alone--"Do > you?" > > > As > > > to your first example--it's hardd tp imagine > people > > > being that crass. > > > > > > The situation that has always puzzled me is > whether > > > or > > > not to help people in wheelchairs by opening > doors > > > for > > > them. I want to be helpful but I don't want them > to > > > feel that I think they can't be independent. I > > > usually > > > wait to see whether it appears that they need > help, > > > i.e., if they have to turn the sheelchair to > back > > > out, > > > or have to reach forward, I open the door--or is > > > someone else is pushing the chair. I try to let > > > people > > > be as independent as possible, but I don't want > them > > > to think I'm being uncaring, either--nor do I > want > > > people to think I pity them, because I don't. I > > > admire > > > people who don't let any kind of disability get > in > > > their way of living life. I'm not so sure I > could do > > > as well. > > > > > > Cindy > > > > > > > > > --- Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Actually that bothers me too. I am also > bothered > > > by > > > > strangers walking up > > > > to me and saying "I have never watched a blind > > > > person ((fill in the blank > > > > such as eat a salad or do some task.) I am > happy > > > to > > > > talk about myself but > > > > this is different than having no boundaries > where > > > my > > > > being blind means I am > > > > on display for the interest of others or need > to > > > > interrupt what I am doing > > > > to discuss my life with you. > > > > > > > > I am also amazed at the fact that total > strangers > > > > have come up to me and > > > > asked me things about my personal life. It > would > > > > never occur to me to walk > > > > up to someone and say "Do you live alone?" "Do > you > > > > have children?" and > > > > such. 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