It would surely be helpful to know what the item for purchase is because it might be something small like a bumpon which is self-explanatory on how to use it, remove from adhesive backing and then place on object ensuring that the object is placed on a clean dry surface, gently pressed on. Alternatively it might be something like the Goodman's Remote Control which has a number of buttons of varying sizes and shapes and arranged in blocks. I understand all these buttons are marked so not an issue for a sighted person but search me *smile*, I have one of these and only someone went through with me this morning what each button is for and I had an opportunity to practice this, I would still not have a clue. Now this person was able to do this remotely with me at the TV and the volume sufficiently loud so that the person could hear what was going on. Now talking of the Goodman's remote control for example, I think that when we purchase it, there could be a large tactile diagram with the name in braille or at least the first letter of the name of each button. This would be so helpful, like say, M for Menu, E for Exit etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted Hello Hazel and all, when saying they could not provide braille or audio, did you ask for instructions in an electronic format? Would this have been helpful? There are blind and partially-sighted people out there who don't have access to computers. For some of them, especially those living alone, Braille or audio instructions may be the only ways they could find out independently how to use the gadget. So, I think that, regardless of whether you could have offered them a third solution, they need to be more versatile than this. Best, Clive Clive Lever Diversity and Equality Officer Kent County Council Office: 01622 221163 Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx Kent County Council Room 2.35A Sessions House Maidstone, Kent. ME14 1XQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 19 April 2012 15:37 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted Well what about electronic instructions. You do not say what the product is, would that not help those of us reading this? perhaps not, it is the principle you are discussing. There is presumably print instructions, surely they can scan that in and make the instructions available electronically. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hazel & Kim Darvell To: access u k Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: [access-uk] opinions wanted Hello to all Can I run this pass everyone and would like opinions please. We were going to buy a product from R N I B but did not in the end go through with the purchase, reason being that they could not give us audio instructions. nor could they provide braille but that would not help as we are not competent readers. This organisation are all too ready to make others provide alternate formats but don't do it themselves. We are totally disgusted. surely they should act by example. Hazel & Kim