UesufYusuf, agree on the design of the machines. One at M&S I used some time back was the best tactilely. although I cannot afford to shop there often! If you ask me its a case of arriving at a good design then letting the EU do its worst in mandating it! Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "yusuf" <yusufaosman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> : Steve, I agree with you to a certain extent. However, I think that there : could have been more work done to ensure that the machines were easier to : use, for example standard keypads, louder tones to indicate that buttons : have been pressed (I for one have thought that I had entered my PIN to find : that a button had not been recognised when I pressed it) and given the : simplicity of the technology I don't see why speech could not have been : integrated from the start. : : Not sure what I think about your experience in the States. On one hand it : does add a layer of security but then again its another thing to carry : around which if stolen or lost isn't the easiest thing to get replaced. Mind : you the upcoming ID card scheme might be ideal for it except it won't be : compulsory. : Yusuf : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> : > Hi. : > : > While I am glad of the information here, I do wish there wasn't such a : > negative light shed on chip and pin. It is a great system, and a better : > alternative than the signature in my view, which is easy to forge. I do : > appreciate that some people can't use it, but there seems to be this thing : > that the blind can't use it also. For goodness' sake, it is just like : > dialing a telephone, and so long as you remember the PIN, you're OK for : > the : > most part. : > : > An even better system I saw recently, was in the USA. They want a piece : > of : > ID before you can use your credit card, such as a driving licence, or : > passport. I thought this too was a good system. : > : > All the best : > -- : > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq