[access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:57:56 +0100
Hi Trace,
Yes, but you need to know the number. Your signature is on the back of your
credit card, so anyone can see it, and hence, forge it. Not only that, many
blind people can't write, so they just perform what I call a squiggle.
These are the simplest to forge. I think the previous signature system was
riddled with insecurity.
All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Spring Flower
Sent: 25 March 2006 15:42
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
My personal opinion is that its way easier to punch four numbers in to a
keypad than forge a signature.
Trace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Ireland" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
> Hi All,
>
> Personally I find chip and pin a wonderful system, and I haven't had any
> problems. If you can use a telephone, you can use chip and pin.
>
> Andrew
>
> On 25 March 2006 10:46:Joe Hunter wrote:
>
>> fortunately I can use both systems but my wife has difficulties with
>> the pad due to arthritus but they have allowed us to use either
>> system write or pin in. .
>> joe.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:59 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>>
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> While I am glad of the information here, I do wish there wasn't such
>>> a negative light shed on chip and pin. It is a great system, and a
>>> better alternative than the signature in my view, which is easy to
>>> forge. I do appreciate that some people can't use it, but there
>>> seems to be this thing that the blind can't use it also. For
>>> goodness' sake, it is just like dialing a telephone, and so long as
>>> you remember the PIN, you're OK for the most part.
>>>
>>> An even better system I saw recently, was in the USA. They want a
>>> piece of ID before you can use your credit card, such as a driving
>>> licence, or passport. I thought this too was a good system.
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of David Quarmby
>>> Sent: 25 March 2006 08:09
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>>>
>>> For information; please circulate
>>>
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>>> Subject: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>>>
>>>
>>> The TUC has been supporting the Disability Rights Commission in its
>>> work to prevent discrimination against disabled people - especially
>>> learning disabled people - through the adoption of chip and pin
>>> technology. Having failed to make real progress in discussion with
>>> the banks etc, the DRC is now considering legal action if suitable
>>> cases can be identified.
>>>
>>> They have asked the TUC for help in identifying individuals who may
>>> have suffered discrimination through the failure of suppliers to
>>> accept alternatives to Chip and Pin. They ask anyone with a possible
>>> case to first contact the DRC Helpline, 08457 622633 (textphone
>>> 08457 622644, fax 08457 778878) - helpline advisers will discuss the
>>> case with the caller and if appropriate pass it on to the legal
>>> team. Please can you circulate this information through any networks
>>> and encourage anyone - especially a learning disabled member - with
>>> a possible case, to contact the DRC helpline. Thanks,
>>> Peter Purton
>>> Policy Officer, Disability, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Transgender Rights
>>> Equality & Employment Rights Department, TUC tel. 020 7467 1271
>>> email ppurton@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Visit the website www.tuc.org.uk/changingtimes
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