Well, the only time I experienced anything like this--and it wasn't on-line--the bank sorted it out, and refunded their charges for me being overdrawn as a result of the fraud - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chip and pin online banking. | The thing is though we're still less secure. Even if your account had frad | carried out on it, you still have to deal with the hassle don't you? | | I've never had my account hacked or abused before, but I imagine you dont' | just get the funds straight back in? What if you had bils to pay? | | Dj Paddy | Ôà | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:40 PM | Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chip and pin online banking. | | | Surely if customers are offered a "opt out" for whatever reason, this | doesn't come with a penalty of reduced rights in the event of fraud! - Andy | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:29 PM | Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chip and pin online banking. | | || Barry said: || "The thing is if we have an opt out then we're not as secure as || peers who can use the technology." || || Yes but that's same as the chip and PIN in the shops. || If we opt for chip and Signature in the shops, there is a higher risk || of fraud compared to if we use chop and PIN in the shops. || I would think if there is to be an opt out for the chip and PIN || at home, on grounds of disability, the banks may have to take the || responsibility should there be any fraud, just as they do now || take on the responsibility if there is fraud for chip and || signature in the shops. || || || Regards, || Derek || || e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx || || "The key is to get the technology working and used by all. If the device, || (whatever it may be), can be plugged in when prompted and communicate || with the network unattended, I think this would be the better route than || opting out." || || I wonder what The RNIB is doing on this matter? || || ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- || ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] || ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: || ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx || ** and in the Subject line type || ** unsubscribe || ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the || ** immediately-following link:- || ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] || ** or send a message, to || ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq || || || -- || This email has been verified as Virus free || Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] | ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | ** and in the Subject line type | ** unsubscribe | ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the | ** immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] | ** or send a message, to | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq | | | __________ NOD32 2276 (20070518) Information __________ | | This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. | http://www.eset.com | | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] | ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | ** and in the Subject line type | ** unsubscribe | ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the | ** immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] | ** or send a message, to | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq | | | -- | This email has been verified as Virus free | Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq