[access-uk] Re: Children of Beslan - Response from the BBC

Hi Damon,

It could be argued that by cutting off the voice, you are denying the
sighted person accessibility to the originator's voice.  I don't think it is
necessarily a taste issue, and I still prefer the AD route for mangling good
artistry <Grin>.

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Damon
Sent: 15 September 2005 19:52
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Children of Beslan - Response from the BBC

steve, it's swings and roundabouts. So do you decide to discriminate on
grounds of taste and art or on grounds of accessibility?  Any thoughts which
is preferable?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Children of Beslan - Response from the BBC


> Hi Damon,
>
> The approach of cutting away the voice still spoils it for some people, so

> I
> reckon it would still exponentially decrease the viewing audience, merely
> because the people are missing out on something they wanted to hear, i.e.,
> the originator's voice.  I don't see why they should cut off the
> originator's voice at all, but that's just my opinion.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of
> Damon
> Sent: 15 September 2005 09:39
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Children of Beslan - Response from the BBC
>
> This is an issue not just about being blind but also about having short or
> long sight and also illiteracy.
>
> It would be entirely possible for them to keep 5 or 10 seconds of the 
> voice
> of the contributor before cutting away to a voiceover. In effect they 
> would
> have decreased the audience by a sizable percentage because of their
> artistic decision to keep the voice of the original person.
>
> Some channels, such as discovery, would always put an English language
> voiceover over a programme. They do this to make their programmes as
> accessible as possible so more people can watch and so that their
> advertisers are happy that more people can watch.
>
> The BBC, funded by you and me, take an alternative approach, an artistic
> approach, one that excludes more of the public.
>
> Many of the above groups I mention would not recognise themselves as 
> needing
> audio description and wouldn't think to research or buy the necessary
> equipment which is relevant today in 2005. If audio description were as
> readily available as subtitles at the touch of a button, we wouldn't be
> having this problem. But being as the take-up and awareness of audio
> description is very low here and now in 2005, the problem is a big 
> problem.
>
> There appears to have been a policy shift at BBC2 that affects us ... I'm
> looking into this at the moment.
>
> Meantime whenever you come across a programme that you find inaccessible, 
> I
> urge you to report it to bbc.co.uk/complaints
>
> To Peter and Steve, your arguments regarding new technology will be very
> relevant in a few years time but not so arguable now. Both of you are very
> aware visually impaired people anddoubtless early-adopters.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:46 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Children of Beslan - Response from the BBC
>
>
>>I don't have audio description, but I agree entirely with Steve.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:08 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Children of Beslan - Response from the BBC
>>
>>
>>> Hi Mel,
>>>
>>> In one way, I agree with the BBC on this, the children's voices should 
>>> be
>>> heard.  However, there would have been a simple solution, and that would
>>> be
>>> to put it on the Audio Description track.  Did you suggest that to them?
>>> I
>>> didn't watch it myself, so can't comment, but sometimes, the 
>>> originator's
>>> voice is more important than an interpreter, even if you can't 
>>> understand
>>> it.  But Audio Description would have answered the problem here, because
>>> sighted people would not have to hear it.  It could be a distraction to
>>> the
>>> sighted, we need to look at both sides of the coin.
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Mel Spooner
>>> Sent: 14 September 2005 09:06
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Children of Beslan - Response from the BBC
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Following the discussion on this list about the Children of Beslan
>>> programme
>>> on BBC 2, I wrote and registered a complaint with the BBC.
>>> Below is my response.
>>>
>>> To me, the response is far from satisfactory.  It is, in my opinion, 
>>> like
>>> saying that a building can't be made accessible to a wheelchair user
>>> because
>>> the steps leading up to the entrance are aesthetically pleasing and a
>>> ramp
>>> would look out of place.
>>>
>>> Mel
>>>
>>> *** Text Begins ***
>>>
>>> Dear Ms Spooner,
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting BBC Information regarding your concerns about
>>> Children of Beslan which was broadcast on BBC TWO on 30 August 2005.  I
>>> was
>>> sorry to learn of your disappointment in not being able to watch the
>>> programme
>>>
>>> I have raised your concerns with Fiona Stourton, Executive Producer for
>>> Children of Beslan.
>>>
>>> She explained that the decision to subtitle was made by the production
>>> team
>>> in consultation with the Controller of BBC TWO. The decision was made,
>>> after
>>> much debate, because it was felt that the children's voices should be
>>> heard.
>>> Their feelings were expressed as much in the voices as the words.
>>> While we regret that for the visually impaired this was a 
>>> disappointment,
>
>>> we
>>> felt that to use actors for children who had been through such trauma
>>> would
>>> have been inappropriate.
>>>
>>> I realise that you may still feel strongly about this matter but hope 
>>> the
>>> explanation behind this decision is useful.  Please be assured that your
>>> comments on this matter have been registered and added to a daily log
>>> that
>>> is made available to senior editorial staff and programme makers. Once
>>> again, thank you for taking the time to contact us with the strength of
>>> your
>>> concerns.
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely
>>>
>>> Crispian Cousins
>>> Divisional Advisor
>>> BBC Information
>>>
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