I agree Ray, and I'm sure Mr Honest will be putting in his two Penarth as well. Dave Not sure Dave if it wouldn't have been better to refer to language barriers, perhaps? Maybe more a subject for Vi-gen, but I do get very anoyed when having to deal with people, whereever they might be from, who's grasp of English leaves much to be desired, e.g. in a pub being expected to point to what I want, rather than simply ask for it. Mind you much of the problem is also down to the mass-market habit of selling things and not providing propper support to keep prices artificially low, hence use of call centres with no knowledge or comitment to anything they are providing support for. As I say, a subject more for vi-gen I think. Cheers, From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- Ankers, Dave (UK) Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers Kirsty, It's interesting, I used the word "Brainless" because the person on the other end of the phone was unable to leave the script they have been programmed with and have a conversation based on information given. Is that Racist? I also stated that misunderstandings due to language differences, meaning constantly having to repeat oneself was infuriating. Does that make me a racist? oh no I used the "C" word!! yes coloured! Jackie stop laughing! It's interesting, whenever you use the word "Coloured" you must be a racist. If I was a racist, I wouldn't spend so much money in their restaurants! Sure there are some I don't like, just imagine I lived in between two neighbours, who both played agga bloody do at full volume, I would want to shoot the pair of them, but one is Caucasian and the other coloured! yes you know what I'm going to be called after shooting the coloured one don't you! Kirsty, you said you didn't want to start a new conversation on the subject, and it's not access related, but to someone who attended a school which was 75% coloured, and I know who is the most racist! ever heard of the cast system? it's the proverbial red rag! Dave Dave, I'm of the opinion that your choice of words leaves a lot to be desired, and goes no way to support your statement that you are not xenophobic - your defining people by their skin colour and claiming that they don't have a brain because they don't understand you being two examples thereof. I find this list a useful and productive platform for sharing ideas and information, and think it would be unfortunate if it became a place where such discriminatory comments were unchallenged. I have no interest in opening up a new discussion on the subject, but wanted to make the point that at least one person here found the racist comments about Indian call centres offensive. Yes, I have had my own frustrating experiences with a number of call centres, but I believe there's a difference in being dissatisfied with a service and writing so discourteously about a whole people group. Kirsty ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq