Steve, my point was that it was not part of jaws as is, but a separately purchased add on, likewise J-Tools and all the rest. I am right, am I not?
John.----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:04 PMSubject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
Hi John, Actually Ibrahim is right and you are wrong. J-Say is not a program, but merely a JAWS script to facilitate extra functionality. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Ofjohn coley Sent: Sunday 31 January 2010 19:21 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMacBut Ibrahim, JSay is a separate program. If you're going to compare the twoyou should surely do like for like. Without these additional packages Jawscan't do the type of tasks you refer to. If it would do these tasks straightout of the box your argument would hold water, as it is it doesn't. John.----- Original Message ----- From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMacHi William. Apologies for being ambiguous about scripting, but while the apple OS may as a whole have scripting support which feeds through to the screen reader, can you individually customize voice over to behave in a specific way in different environments? For instance, when jaws encounters charts in excel, it gives a verbose description of the layout of the chart which is a behavior requiring complex scripting and interaction with the application. Similarly, is it possible to directly take control of voiceover to behave in a specific manor? To give an example the jaws enhancingutility suite J-Tools has the ability to integrate with Dragon Naturally Speaking to a degree where text is read back to you as it is dictated. This again requires considerable experience in creating behavioral macrosand scripts to enable this functionality and get jaws to behave exactly asthe developer intends. That's what I mean by scripting, providing such a powerful language that you can get the screen reader to do anything you desire or at least very close *smile*. All the best, Ibrahim.----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMacplease research before you post inaccurate information 1. grade 2 braille is on the mac 2. we can script now on the mac 3. we are able with windows, yes, to get free screenreaders and yes, windows is used in the work environment, so whethr a blind person needs windows for work or not, if they wish to use the mac at home they have the option to do so, if not, that's fine. It is good that a blind perosn has more choice now than say ten years ago On 31 Jan 2010, at 07:56, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:Hi Lyn. Hang on a second. You talk of over priced screen readers when you don't realize yet all they can do. Does voice over on the Mac or IPhone have scripting capability? NO! Do they have Braille support? no! (excepting grade one on the Mac). Also, you fail to take in to account the massive selection of screen readers on pc's. OK, jaws andwindow-eyes are the most common and at a higher price range, but SystemAccess, NVDA and Narrator are either inexpensive or free, providingvarying degrees of accessibility to windows and its applications. Withthe Mac and IPhone, you have the one screen reader take it or leave it,and to my mind if you've only one developer IE Apple who's primary concern isn't accessibility, you've got serious problems. FS and GW Micro spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and many man hours developing their products to meet the ever more growing and complexdemands of their customers. Think what you like, but please don't fallover to promote apple and praise them as you would the lord just because they give you a built in screen reader. All the best, Ibrahim.----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn & Twinny" <keanemaniac@xxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:26 AMSubject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions |ATMacJames & tony, well said...no further comments to add after this. Hats off to AppleandI know here, more and more blind people are showing interest in MacOSX and apple's built in accessibility.We have been ripped off allthese years with overly priced products that very few of us can affordanyway if government agencies don't provide us with those products. FS, GW Micro and all these other companies that supposedly aim at making life easier for blind people should be ashamed of themselves.At last now, we have choice and as far as I am concerned, (and this isthe case with more and more of us here) we are going to stop buying these overly prices screen readers. There are so many advantages to using the Mac and all of them have been listed in James and Tony's message so I won't write any further on this subject. but you guys said it all. Lyn & Twinny *********** "One day in your life You'll remember the love you found here You'll remember me somehow Though you don't need me now I will stay in your heart And when things fall apart You'll remember one day..." 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