[access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 00:02:32 +0000
That is so cool
On 31 Jan 2010, at 21:44, Gordon Keen wrote:
> If you are aware of the TNAUK newsreader plug in for IE developed by um, not
> sure of spelling here, atecnic I can confirm my son has replicated all the
> functionality found in that plug in in to an apple script that enables
> voiceover to read publications by article and or section index, not only that
> but using the built in auto mater function in snow leopard the whole process
> of unpacking, indexing and making folders for each edition of a particular
> title mean the whole experience is performed by just one click on the doc.
>
> Regards
>
> G
>
> From glorious Devon, England.
> On 31 Jan 2010, at 18:52, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
>
>> Hi William.
>>
>> Apologies for being ambiguous about scripting, but while the apple OS may as
>> a whole have scripting support which feeds through to the screen reader, can
>> you individually customize voice over to behave in a specific way in
>> different environments? For instance, when jaws encounters charts in excel,
>> it gives a verbose description of the layout of the chart which is a
>> behavior requiring complex scripting and interaction with the application.
>> Similarly, is it possible to directly take control of voice over to behave
>> in a specific manor? To give an example the jaws enhancing utility suite
>> J-Tools has the ability to integrate with Dragon Naturally Speaking to a
>> degree where text is read back to you as it is dictated. This again
>> requires considerable experience in creating behavioral macros and scripts
>> to enable this functionality and get jaws to behave exactly as the developer
>> intends. That's what I mean by scripting, providing such a powerful
>> language that you can get the sc
> reen reader to do anything you desire or at least very close *smile*.
>>
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas"
>> <lomaswilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:50 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
>>
>>
>>> please research before you post inaccurate information
>>> 1. grade 2 braille is on the mac
>>> 2. we can script now on the mac
>>> 3. we are able with windows, yes, to get free screenreaders and yes,
>>> windows is used in the work environment, so whethr a blind person needs
>>> windows for work or not, if they wish to use the mac at home they have
>>> the option to do so, if not, that's fine.
>>> It is good that a blind perosn has more choice now than say ten years ago
>>>
>>> On 31 Jan 2010, at 07:56, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lyn.
>>>>
>>>> Hang on a second. You talk of over priced screen readers when you don't
>>>> realize yet all they can do. Does voice over on the Mac or IPhone have
>>>> scripting capability? NO! Do they have Braille support? no! (excepting
>>>> grade one on the Mac). Also, you fail to take in to account the massive
>>>> selection of screen readers on pc's. OK, jaws and window-eyes are the
>>>> most common and at a higher price range, but System Access, NVDA and
>>>> Narrator are either inexpensive or free, providing varying degrees of
>>>> accessibility to windows and its applications. With the Mac and IPhone,
>>>> you have the one screen reader take it or leave it, and to my mind if
>>>> you've only one developer IE Apple who's primary concern isn't
>>>> accessibility, you've got serious problems. FS and GW Micro spend
>>>> hundreds of thousands of dollars and many man hours developing their
>>>> products to meet the ever more growing and complex demands of their
>>>> customers. Think what you like, but please don't fall over to
> promote apple and praise them as you would the lord just because they give
> you a built in screen reader.
>>>>
>>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn & Twinny" <keanemaniac@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:26 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions |
>>>> ATMac
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> James & tony,
>>>>> well said...no further comments to add after this. Hats off to Apple
>>>>> andI know here, more and more blind people are showing interest in Mac
>>>>> OSX and apple's built in accessibility.We have been ripped off all these
>>>>> years with overly priced products that very few of us can afford anyway
>>>>> if government agencies don't provide us with those products. FS, GW
>>>>> Micro and all these other companies that supposedly aim at making life
>>>>> easier for blind people should be ashamed of themselves. At last now, we
>>>>> have choice and as far as I am concerned, (and this is the case with
>>>>> more and more of us here) we are going to stop buying these overly
>>>>> prices screen readers. There are so many advantages to using the Mac
>>>>> and all of them have been listed in James and Tony's message so I won't
>>>>> write any further on this subject. but you guys said it all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn & Twinny
>>>>> ***********
>>>>> "One day in your life
>>>>> You'll remember the love you found here
>>>>> You'll remember me somehow
>>>>> Though you don't need me now
>>>>> I will stay in your heart
>>>>> And when things fall apart
>>>>> You'll remember one day..."
>>>>> (How can we forget you Michael, a gentle soul like yours will forever
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