[access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:17:47 +0000
Hi Ibrahim
I am only just learning to script, but yes, I believe that the things you are
asking about are indeed possible. As I understand it, AppleScript, the
scripting language - or at least of of them that can be used on Mac OS X can
be used by everything including VoiceOver. Scripting can also be used to
manipulate applications and create them.
However, because Mac OS X is built using the CoaCo framework, scripting is not
a necessary feature. Developers code in this language because as far as i
understand it, CoCo gives them an extremely rich feature set and because Apple
are very keen on consistency across their operating system. However, the fact
that scripting is there allows users to extend Voice Over's capabilities, much
as the scripting JAWS uses provides the same capability for Windows suers.
As I said though, I am not a programmer and so I cannot really explain what I
mean clearly enough. If you are interested to learn more, would you consider
joining the Mac Visionaries list where their are people who can answer your
questions. You can also find info on the underpinnings of Mac OS X and the
scripting power of the operating system on the Apple website.
TC
James, Lyn Nash & Twinny
On 31 Jan 2010, at 18:52, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
> Hi William.
>
> Apologies for being ambiguous about scripting, but while the apple OS may as
> a whole have scripting support which feeds through to the screen reader, can
> you individually customize voice over to behave in a specific way in
> different environments? For instance, when jaws encounters charts in excel,
> it gives a verbose description of the layout of the chart which is a behavior
> requiring complex scripting and interaction with the application. Similarly,
> is it possible to directly take control of voice over to behave in a specific
> manor? To give an example the jaws enhancing utility suite J-Tools has the
> ability to integrate with Dragon Naturally Speaking to a degree where text is
> read back to you as it is dictated. This again requires considerable
> experience in creating behavioral macros and scripts to enable this
> functionality and get jaws to behave exactly as the developer intends.
> That's what I mean by scripting, providing such a powerful language that you
> can get the screen reader to do anything you desire or at least very close
> *smile*.
>
> All the best, Ibrahim.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas"
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> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:50 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
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>
>> please research before you post inaccurate information
>> 1. grade 2 braille is on the mac
>> 2. we can script now on the mac
>> 3. we are able with windows, yes, to get free screenreaders and yes, windows
>> is used in the work environment, so whethr a blind person needs windows for
>> work or not, if they wish to use the mac at home they have the option to
>> do so, if not, that's fine.
>> It is good that a blind perosn has more choice now than say ten years ago
>>
>> On 31 Jan 2010, at 07:56, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lyn.
>>>
>>> Hang on a second. You talk of over priced screen readers when you don't
>>> realize yet all they can do. Does voice over on the Mac or IPhone have
>>> scripting capability? NO! Do they have Braille support? no! (excepting
>>> grade one on the Mac). Also, you fail to take in to account the massive
>>> selection of screen readers on pc's. OK, jaws and window-eyes are the
>>> most common and at a higher price range, but System Access, NVDA and
>>> Narrator are either inexpensive or free, providing varying degrees of
>>> accessibility to windows and its applications. With the Mac and IPhone,
>>> you have the one screen reader take it or leave it, and to my mind if
>>> you've only one developer IE Apple who's primary concern isn't
>>> accessibility, you've got serious problems. FS and GW Micro spend
>>> hundreds of thousands of dollars and many man hours developing their
>>> products to meet the ever more growing and complex demands of their
>>> customers. Think what you like, but please don't fall over to promote
>>> apple and praise them as you would the lord just because they give you a
>>> built in screen reader.
>>>
>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn & Twinny" <keanemaniac@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:26 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions |
>>> ATMac
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>>>
>>>> James & tony,
>>>> well said...no further comments to add after this. Hats off to Apple andI
>>>> know here, more and more blind people are showing interest in Mac OSX and
>>>> apple's built in accessibility.We have been ripped off all these years
>>>> with overly priced products that very few of us can afford anyway if
>>>> government agencies don't provide us with those products. FS, GW Micro
>>>> and all these other companies that supposedly aim at making life easier
>>>> for blind people should be ashamed of themselves. At last now, we have
>>>> choice and as far as I am concerned, (and this is the case with more and
>>>> more of us here) we are going to stop buying these overly prices screen
>>>> readers. There are so many advantages to using the Mac and all of them
>>>> have been listed in James and Tony's message so I won't write any further
>>>> on this subject. but you guys said it all.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn & Twinny
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