[access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:34:42 +0000
Hi Ibrahim,
Just thought I'd chime in here with a comment or two in rebuttal to yours
smile. I'm sure Lyn will come back with a few of her own too.
I'm afraid you are misinformed, the Mac does indeed provide scripting
capability for Voice Over - although it does not need it it does exist which I
think is a good thing. In fact, the scripting capability is open to the entire
operating system not just VO. This has been a controversial issue for some Mac
users who belittled Apple for including this feature in Snow Leopard - and they
know what I think of that, so I won't bore you all here.
Of course Mac OS X supports Grade 2 Braille - all be it only in American, but
as I said in an earlier post, if users or potential users would like foreign
language Braille, they can get it from:
http://www.cecimac.org
I fully agree with you that there are other Screen Readers besides JAWS and
Window-Eyes, but all of them apart from Narrator are bolt-ons. Voice Over on
the other hand, is an integrated part of the operating system and this fact -
though perhaps small does show.
Not to be personal Ibrahim, but from your comments, you obviously have not
spent enough time with the latest version of the mac OS, . Perhaps it might be
an idea to do that so that you can see exactly where the articles from the
American Blindness organisations try to deceive potential users. Oh and by the
way, these organisations have been forced to eat humble pie and apologise for
misleading people.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 31 Jan 2010, at 07:56, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
> Hi Lyn.
>
> Hang on a second. You talk of over priced screen readers when you don't
> realize yet all they can do. Does voice over on the Mac or IPhone have
> scripting capability? NO! Do they have Braille support? no! (excepting grade
> one on the Mac). Also, you fail to take in to account the massive selection
> of screen readers on pc's. OK, jaws and window-eyes are the most common and
> at a higher price range, but System Access, NVDA and Narrator are either
> inexpensive or free, providing varying degrees of accessibility to windows
> and its applications. With the Mac and IPhone, you have the one screen
> reader take it or leave it, and to my mind if you've only one developer IE
> Apple who's primary concern isn't accessibility, you've got serious problems.
> FS and GW Micro spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and many man hours
> developing their products to meet the ever more growing and complex demands
> of their customers. Think what you like, but please don't fall over to
> promote apple and praise them as you would the lord just because they give
> you a built in screen reader.
>
> All the best, Ibrahim.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn & Twinny" <keanemaniac@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:26 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac
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>> James & tony,
>> well said...no further comments to add after this. Hats off to Apple andI
>> know here, more and more blind people are showing interest in Mac OSX and
>> apple's built in accessibility.We have been ripped off all these years with
>> overly priced products that very few of us can afford anyway if government
>> agencies don't provide us with those products. FS, GW Micro and all these
>> other companies that supposedly aim at making life easier for blind people
>> should be ashamed of themselves. At last now, we have choice and as far as
>> I am concerned, (and this is the case with more and more of us here) we are
>> going to stop buying these overly prices screen readers. There are so many
>> advantages to using the Mac and all of them have been listed in James and
>> Tony's message so I won't write any further on this subject. but you guys
>> said it all.
>>
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