[access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | ATMac

Hi Steve,

If the rumours are true, then that is exactly what MS tried to do and were 
stopped by NFB i believe because they worried that it would be bad for the 
Screen Reader manufacturers. I am all for competition, but these companies are 
only interested in their bottom line - making a profit for themselves. Surely, 
if they were really interested in assistinb Blind people, they would sell their 
products for less and so sell more, eventually making more money which would 
satisfy them I'm sure. As I've said, Apple's products are at the higher end of 
the price range, but by  including Voice Over they have dramatically changed 
the face of commercial and AT computing. The Windows Screen Reaer manufacturers 
need to sit up and take notice because Apple id what Microsoft did not and I 
think MS should have gone down that root. 

I am not personally attacking anyone, but I think it would indeed be sad for AT 
venders such as yourself, because if Microsoft provided their own Screen 
Reader, that would severely decrease profits. Especially in the case of FS and 
other Screen Reader manufacturers. It may not be so bad for you, as I believe 
you sell other products besides Window-Eyes. I do think though, that if you 
sold Macs, you would see your business increase, at least to a point, because 
more and more Blind people are buying Macs exactly for the reasons that Lyn and 
others have given. I am not saying that some of them do not keep their Windows 
machines too or that they don't put Windows on their Macs - and why not, but 
Apple has seen its market share increase among the Blind in recent years. I 
don't know how many lists you are on, but why don't you join Mac Visionaries 
just so you can get an idea of how things really do work. Also, Do you have any 
way of actually using a Mac yourself? That would be the best way for you to 
form conclusions. I am not saying that everyone should use Macs - far from it - 
people should use what they feel comfortable with and/or what their 
circumstances dictate, but at least that way, you could get some first-hand 
experience.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 31 Jan 2010, at 11:39, Steve Nutt wrote:

> Hi Hussein,
> 
> I totally agree with Ibrahim.  It is all right to complain about
> overpricing, but how does one recoup costs for development?  And if
> Microsoft built in a screen reader like Apple and it became the only choice,
> how sad that would be.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
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> Wow Ibrahim, enthusiastic much? 'grin'.
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> Ibrahim Gucukoglu
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> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions |
> ATMac
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> Hi Lyn.
> 
> Hang on a second.  You talk of over priced screen readers when you don't 
> realize yet all they can do.  Does voice over on the Mac or IPhone have 
> scripting capability? NO!  Do they have Braille support? no! (excepting 
> grade one on the Mac).  Also, you fail to take in to account the massive 
> selection of screen readers on pc's.  OK, jaws and window-eyes are the most 
> common and at a higher price range, but System Access, NVDA and Narrator are
> 
> either inexpensive or free, providing varying degrees of accessibility to 
> windows and its applications.  With the Mac and IPhone, you have the one 
> screen reader take it or leave it, and to my mind if you've only one 
> developer IE Apple who's primary concern isn't accessibility, you've got 
> serious problems.  FS and GW Micro spend hundreds of thousands of dollars 
> and many man hours developing their products to meet the ever more growing 
> and complex demands of their customers.  Think what you like, but please 
> don't fall over to promote apple and praise them as you would the lord just 
> because they give you a built in screen reader.
> 
> All the best, Ibrahim.
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> From: "Lyn & Twinny" <keanemaniac@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:26 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibilty and the iPad: First Impressions | 
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> 
>> James & tony,
>> well said...no further comments to add after this. Hats off to Apple andI 
>> know here, more and more blind people are showing interest in Mac OSX and 
>> apple's built in accessibility.We have been ripped off all these years 
>> with overly priced products that very few of us can afford anyway  if 
>> government agencies don't provide us with those products.  FS, GW Micro 
>> and all these other companies that supposedly aim at making life easier 
>> for blind people should be ashamed of themselves.  At last now, we have 
>> choice and as far as I am concerned, (and this is the case with more and 
>> more of us here) we are going to stop buying these overly prices screen 
>> readers.  There are so many advantages to using the Mac and all of them 
>> have been listed in James and Tony's message so I won't write any further 
>> on this subject.  but you guys said it all.
>> 
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