[C] [Wittrs] Re: Re: Wittgenstein, Translations & "Queer"

  • From: "J" <ubersicht@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:07:33 -0000

KU,

I actually had not known that he'd been officially without a state until I 
checked that Wikipedia article to confirm the things I did recall.  Hence the 
paraphrase.

> Wittgenstein gets to be Austrian right?

Wittgenstein was an Austrian who became a British subject.

There are certain ugly views that make that a murky question - ugly views that 
had serious practical consequences for Wittgenstein's family - but I don't 
think such views have a place in what we call him, except to the extent that we 
are acknowledging the role those ugly views played in his life and the life of 
his kin.

>
> Yes, good point.  There's that book putting Hitler and Wittgenstein
> together and suggesting a rivalry.  I'm not sure to what extent anyone
> believes this story.

My take is that Cornish was hoping to push his own philosophical positions and 
his readings of Schopenhauer and Wittgenstein on the sensationalism of a 
ridiculous narrative rather than on the merits of those views.

Did Hitler and Wittgenstein attend the same school at the same time?  I think 
so.  That seems pretty well confirmed.

Did they meet?  We can only speculate.

Was Wittgenstein the first Jew Hitler ever insulted?  Could be, I suppose.  No 
reason to think that but it's not that implausible.

Was there a lifelong rivalry?  No.

Why not?  Hitler himself had to authorize the granting of mischlinge status to 
Wittgenstein's sisters.  If so much of his life had been driven by such a 
rivalry, it's just implausible he'd have agreed to that.

That and... well... the fact that there's not a gods damn shred of frakkin' 
evidence for such a rivalry!


> Yes, this matches Kaufmann's account pretty well, to the best of my
> recollection.
>

My remarks were based on my own recollection of Kaufmann, so our recollections 
at least agree.

> I accept responsibility for the errors above and thank you for correcting me.

You're most welcome.  And your attitude is thoroughly refreshing.

(Some recent discussions with others had me prepared for the possibility of a 
claim that, since Nietzsche claimed Polish ancestry and part of Poland was at 
the time part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, that somehow a case could be made 
that that made him Austrian.  Crazier arguments have been made!)

JPDeMouy

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