[windows2000] Re: OT Firewalls
- From: "Tony Lyne" <Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:34:05 +1300
Actually snort/eaglex costs nothing. Its all open source. You just need a good
workstation and Win2kpro/server running on it and youre pumping.
www.snort.org and www.engagesecurity.com <http://www.engaguesecurity.com> for
download info. Awesome products and it all open source.
Tony.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:Bill.Beckett@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sat 28/02/2004 8:15 a.m.
To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Cc:
Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT Firewalls
Awesome idea, now if only my company were willing to shell out dollars
for
an IDS
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Lyne [SMTP:Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:24 PM
> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [windows2000] Re: OT Firewalls
>
> Jim is absolutely right here. A large part of my job is security
> consultation and design.
>
> We all spend so many $$$ a year keeping out Antivirus and other
gateway
> products up to date but totally make it pointless if you dont keep
your
> perimiter security up to scratch. Firewalls are often seen as a once
only
> expense and IT shops often neglect the importance of keeping them
patched
> and up todate.
>
> Many firewalls are looking at working at different layers (application
> layer rather than stateful inspection only) as well as attacks are
> becoming more advanced, which is why you have to spend the extra $$ to
> subscribe to their support programs.
>
> Trust me, spending the extra money on staying up to date is worth it
in
> the long run.
>
> Also dont forget about a decend NIDS/IDS system. My recommendation is
> Eaglex and snort from engage security. Its open source and is perfect
for
> keeping an eye on your firewall to make sure its doing its job
internally
> and externally. Also it can be used to keep check on youre internal
> network traffic.
>
> My personal preference in firewalls is Borderware firewall server and
> Netscreens range.
>
> My 2c worth.
>
> Tony.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sat 28/02/2004 7:09 a.m.
> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc:
> Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT Firewalls
>
>
> How much would it cost you to clean up if your network was
hacked?
> How much money would your company lose from downtime. Would you still
> have a job?
> $7000 is pennies when I start answering those questions. Every 3
> years updating critical hardware is not unrealistic. Bandwidth
technology
> has improved every few years also...it makes sense to keep your
equipment
> in line with it.
>
> JK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Greg Reese
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:57 AM
> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT Firewalls
>
>
> My Cisco gear has been in the rack for four years. We
keep
> out smartnet up to date and have never had a problem. Cisco has never
> come back to us and told us we have to replace all our hardware with
their
> new stuff.
>
> The Firebox X only comes with 90 days of live security
so
> right off the bat I have to buy more live security. It doesn't
include
> Web Blocker anymore either. they keep telling me that I only have to
buy
> the features I need and can upgrade later. That would be great if it
was
> cheaper but its not. The firebox X 700 now ends up costing me over
> $3000.00. I have 125 users and don't use VPN. Then what, in two
years
> they tell me that the X is being retired and I have to throw it out
and
> buy the all new XI?
>
> I paid 2000 for the firebox two. I renewed Live
Security on
> it for two years. I now have over $4000 invested in a firewall that I
> have to throw out and spend another $3000 to replace it. $7000 in
three
> years for internet security is a bit steep for 125 users and no VPN.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
> http://thin.net
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:39 AM
> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT Firewalls
>
>
> C'mon Greg,
> WatchGuard, Rules....it makes sense that you'll need to
keep
> your firmware up to date to keep up with the latest vulnerabilities
and
> threats. All the vendors do it especially Cisco. It is planned
> obsolescence. I'd get the Firebox X in a heartbeat.
> JK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Greg Reese
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:29 AM
> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [windows2000] OT Firewalls
>
>
>
> I have been a loyal Watchguard customer for a
few
> years now but their new strategy of cutting off old products and
forcing
> you into new ones is pissing me off right now.
>
> I am exploring other options. What are the
rest of
> you using for firewalls?
>
> I liked Watchguard because I could configure it
> myself and they had great support available online. But they dropped
> support for the Firebox II and are telling me I have to get a Firebox
III.
> Now they have come out with the Firebox X. I am sure by the end of
the
> year they will be telling me I have to upgrade from the III to the X.
I
> really don't want to play that game. I get enough of that from
Microsoft
> and Great Plains. I don't need it from my firewall too.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
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