[windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
- From: "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:44:23 +0200
Vicious. I like! 8-D
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/Sorin
>-----Original Message-----
>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
>Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:31 PM
>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>
>Remove every account he uses. Once his friends start losing their
>accounts, they will stop sharing them with him.
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:27 AM, "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>
>> You can never win this, with less than banning this kid totally,
>> remove his account etc. Even then, he'll use somebody else's account
>> instead. If he won't take the hint, I don't know what else you *can*
>> do. Had the parents and police been informed? If that's what it
>> takes... 8-/
>>
>> --
>> /Sorin
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:18 PM
>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>> suggestions
>>>
>>> Thanks guys. This is such a major issue, even after the little brat
>>> has been warned,
>>> he got onto the next computer and started again. Taking up our time
>>> monitoring him,
>>> we know that even with restrictions on his account he has access to
>>> other students
>>> accounts. We have decided to lockdown his account to only the time
>>> he has ICT
>>> related lessons which is 6 time a week for about 1 hr. Even with
>>> that he is spending
>>> time trying to get in. Anyway tha ballte continues.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:42:00 PM
>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>> suggestions
>>>
>>> Sorin,
>>>
>>> My experience has been similiar with that age group ;-) however,
>>> that's not what I'm
>>> referring to.
>>>
>>> Most of these young wiz kids/hackers have already figured out how
>>> to network
>>> computers. I don't think you could give them a "playground" that
>>> would satisfy their
>>> curiosity as to how "real" networks run. And their desire to access
>>> information they
>>> have no right to access.
>>>
>>> I'm interested in networks, too. That doesn't mean I can hack my
>>> way around my
>>> employer's network. Not if I want to keep my job.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>> From: sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>> suggestions
>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:05:27 +0200
>>>>
>>>> I guess a nudge in the "proper" direction is all you can do. The
>>>> rest is up to them.
>>> 8-)
>>>>
>>>> I've worked as a teacher with pupils age 14-16 for about two years
>>>> at a school. I
>>> haven't met anyone that knows anything about a career plan, much
>>> less a pupil that
>>> listens to anything a grown-up suggests about something that's
>>> years ahead in the
>>> future. Their attention-span is minutes ahead of the moment, if
>>> that. I'm generalish I
>>> know, but it's still a rather significant fact. ;-)
>>>> --
>>>> /Sorin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:17 AM
>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>>> suggestions
>>>>>
>>>>> True, but I think the emphasis would be on helping them channel
>>>>> their ability in
>>> the
>>>>> right direction. What you might find is that these kids have a
>>>>> talent which we can
>>> help
>>>>> harness, and direct. This might potentially help them with a
>>>>> meaningful career in
>>> the
>>>>> future. What we tend to see is raw talent, unproductive and mis-
>>>>> directed.
>>>>> This particular kid wants a career in IT, but I am very sure he
>>>>> doesnt know what.
>>>>> This might help him channel his thoughts in the right direction,
>>>>> and be better
>>> informed
>>>>> when he makes his choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then, I might be wrong, and we might just be dealing with
>>>>> seasoned Hackers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:49:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>>> suggestions
>>>>>
>>>>> The risk here is that as soon as it's something organized by
>>>>> adults, the chase
>>> loses
>>>>> its attraction. OTOH, setting up a lab-network and telling them
>>>>> to hack this and
>>> this
>>>>> computer and find a file containing this particular text, might
>>>>> set them off. Kinda'
>>> like
>>>>> a treasure hunt. The coin has two sides though, as always. They
>>>>> might use the
>>>>> same techniques to hack you sharp production network, "just to
>>>>> see if it's
>>> possible".
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> /Sorin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:17 AM
>>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>>>> suggestions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He must be about 15/16. Cos there was the talk of him taking his
>>>>>> final exams. I
>>> am
>>>>>> begining to notice a trend in all the schools I support. We seem
>>>>>> to have about 3
>>> or 4
>>>>>> kids that are good @ things like that. Well these are kids we
>>>>>> know, and I am
>>>>> thinking
>>>>>> of suggesting setting up a special technology group to help them
>>>>>> chanel thier gift
>>>>>> constructively.
>>>>>> I might create a mini lab/ network with a dozen old pcs, and get
>>>>>> them to play
>>> and
>>>>>> reaaly focusing and directing thier intelligent on good. Not
>>>>>> sure how the
>>> principals
>>>>>> would take that, but I sure will suggest this to the IT director.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:10:27 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>>>> suggestions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice, and also rather ingenious IMO!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How old kid(s) are we speaking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> /Sorin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:12 PM
>>>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>>>>> suggestions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ok guys, after some serious talking to, the kid has decided to
>>>>>>> let us in on some
>>> of
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Download zip files allows him to get to the C: drive by
>>>>>>> being able to access
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Temp Internet files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. If he disconnects the computer from the network, it installs
>>>>>>> a local profile for
>>>>>>> him, giving him access to the C: drive and the “Run” command.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. He runs a “compressed” cmd file from within PowerPoint.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. By running “Find Printer” he is able to find users ac
>>>>>>> counts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. He accesses “command.com <http://command.com/>
>>> <http://command.com/>
>>>>> <http://command.com/> ” (the equivalent of
>>>>>> cmd.exe).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6. He runs cmd.exe to get to files on the servers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should this kid not be studying, rather than keeping me busy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, just thought to share.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:54:33 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>>>>> suggestions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I understand kids will be kids but it covers you.
>>>>>>> Jim Kenzig
>>>>>>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an idea I have suggested, and I think there is a good
>>>>>>> case to
>>>>>>> push this forward. Whats I have found is that no matter how
>>>>>>> tight you try to
>>> make
>>>>>>> things the kids will seek to break in. In most cases because
>>>>>>> they do not
>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> what the consequences could be if enforced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really annoying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms/ <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59:44 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>>>>>> suggestions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I am not sure about Australia but here we do have computer
>>>>>>> hacking laws and a simple "Your current computer activity
>>>>>>> appears to be
>>> illegal
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> you may be prosecuted if you do not cease and desist" dm to the
>>>>>>> computer
>>> may
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> enough. You of course also make sure that you have a proper
>>>>>>> logon privacy
>>>>>>> message in place prior to logon that requires an OK click.
>>>>>>> Here is ours:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THIS SYSTEM IS FOR USE OF AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND
>>>>>>> ACTIVITIES ONLY!
>>>>>>> Activities may be subject to monitoring, recording, and
>>>>>>> periodic audits
>>>>>>> The system and all content are property of CCPL and are NOT
>>>>>>> considered private.
>>>>>>> The organization may access any users accounts or communications.
>>>>>>> Anyone using this system expressly consents to the above and to
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> CCPL Policies and Rules regarding
>>>>>>> computer and Internet use and security.
>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This should cover you legally at least.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Jim Kenzig
>>>>>>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com <http://www.techblink.com/>
>>>>> <http://www.techblink.com/>
>>>>>> <http://www.techblink.com/>
>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Berny Stapleton
>>>>>>> <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it was actually regedit and they were modifying the
>>>>>>> SAM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quite clever really, but a little frustrating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/3/25 Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
>>>>>>> <bcoffman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scheduled task can run in System context & allow
>>>>>>> someone to launch a cmd
>>>>>>>> prompt or something with basically full control of the
>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Sorin Srbu
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 AM
>>>>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
>>>>>>> network - suggestions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you please elaborate on the scheduler thing,
>>>>>>> what's that about? Thx.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> /Sorin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:windows2000-
>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:38 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
>>>>>>> network - suggestions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, turn off the scheduler. Keep your patches up to
>>>>>>> date. (That's the
>>>>>>>>> one that caught me)
>>>>>>>>
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