You can never win this, with less than banning this kid totally, remove his account etc. Even then, he'll use somebody else's account instead. If he won't take the hint, I don't know what else you *can* do. Had the parents and police been informed? If that's what it takes... 8-/ -- /Sorin >-----Original Message----- >From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000- >bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:18 PM >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions > >Thanks guys. This is such a major issue, even after the little brat has been >warned, >he got onto the next computer and started again. Taking up our time monitoring >him, >we know that even with restrictions on his account he has access to other >students >accounts. We have decided to lockdown his account to only the time he has ICT >related lessons which is 6 time a week for about 1 hr. Even with that he is >spending >time trying to get in. Anyway tha ballte continues. > >Thanks > >Patrick > > >________________________________ > >From: Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:42:00 PM >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions > >Sorin, > >My experience has been similiar with that age group ;-) however, that's not >what I'm >referring to. > >Most of these young wiz kids/hackers have already figured out how to network >computers. I don't think you could give them a "playground" that would satisfy >their >curiosity as to how "real" networks run. And their desire to access >information they >have no right to access. > >I'm interested in networks, too. That doesn't mean I can hack my way around my >employer's network. Not if I want to keep my job. > >Richard > >> From: sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions >> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:05:27 +0200 >> >> I guess a nudge in the "proper" direction is all you can do. The rest is up >> to them. >8-) >> >> I've worked as a teacher with pupils age 14-16 for about two years at a >> school. I >haven't met anyone that knows anything about a career plan, much less a pupil >that >listens to anything a grown-up suggests about something that's years ahead in >the >future. Their attention-span is minutes ahead of the moment, if that. I'm >generalish I >know, but it's still a rather significant fact. ;-) >> -- >> /Sorin >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000- >> >bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick >> >Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:17 AM >> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions >> > >> >True, but I think the emphasis would be on helping them channel their >> >ability in >the >> >right direction. What you might find is that these kids have a talent which >> >we can >help >> >harness, and direct. This might potentially help them with a meaningful >> >career in >the >> >future. What we tend to see is raw talent, unproductive and mis-directed. >> >This particular kid wants a career in IT, but I am very sure he doesnt know >> >what. >> >This might help him channel his thoughts in the right direction, and be >> >better >informed >> >when he makes his choice. >> > >> >But then, I might be wrong, and we might just be dealing with seasoned >> >Hackers. >> > >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> >Patrick >> > >> > >> >________________________________ >> > >> >From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:49:23 AM >> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions >> > >> >The risk here is that as soon as it's something organized by adults, the >> >chase >loses >> >its attraction. OTOH, setting up a lab-network and telling them to hack >> >this and >this >> >computer and find a file containing this particular text, might set them >> >off. Kinda' >like >> >a treasure hunt. The coin has two sides though, as always. They might use >> >the >> >same techniques to hack you sharp production network, "just to see if it's >possible". >> >;-) >> > >> >-- >> >/Sorin >> > >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000- >> >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick >> >>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:17 AM >> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions >> >> >> >>He must be about 15/16. Cos there was the talk of him taking his final >> >>exams. I >am >> >>begining to notice a trend in all the schools I support. We seem to have >> >>about 3 >or 4 >> >>kids that are good @ things like that. Well these are kids we know, and I >> >>am >> >thinking >> >>of suggesting setting up a special technology group to help them chanel >> >>thier gift >> >>constructively. >> >>I might create a mini lab/ network with a dozen old pcs, and get them to >> >>play >and >> >>reaaly focusing and directing thier intelligent on good. Not sure how the >principals >> >>would take that, but I sure will suggest this to the IT director. >> >> >> >> >> >>Patrick >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> >> >> >>From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:10:27 AM >> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions >> >> >> >>Nice, and also rather ingenious IMO! >> >> >> >>How old kid(s) are we speaking? >> >> >> >>-- >> >>/Sorin >> >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000- >> >>>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick >> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:12 PM >> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions >> >>> >> >>>ok guys, after some serious talking to, the kid has decided to let us in >> >>>on some >of >> >>his >> >>>tricks. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>1. Download zip files allows him to get to the C: drive by being able to >> >>>access >> >>the >> >>>Temp Internet files. >> >>> >> >>>2. If he disconnects the computer from the network, it installs a local >> >>>profile for >> >>>him, giving him access to the C: drive and the “Run” command. >> >>> >> >>>3. He runs a “compressed” cmd file from within PowerPoint. >> >>> >> >>>4. By running “Find Printer” he is able to find users accounts. >> >>> >> >>>5. He accesses “command.com <http://command.com/> ><http://command.com/> >> ><http://command.com/> ” (the equivalent of >> >>cmd.exe). >> >>> >> >>>6. He runs cmd.exe to get to files on the servers. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Should this kid not be studying, rather than keeping me busy? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Anyway, just thought to share. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Thanks >> >>> >> >>>Patrick >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>________________________________ >> >>> >> >>>From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> >> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:54:33 PM >> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions >> >>> >> >>>Yes I understand kids will be kids but it covers you. >> >>>Jim Kenzig >> >>>Blog: http://www.techblink.com >> >>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig >> >>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx> >wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hi Jim, >> >>> >> >>> This is an idea I have suggested, and I think there is a good case to >> >>>push this forward. Whats I have found is that no matter how tight you try >> >>>to >make >> >>>things the kids will seek to break in. In most cases because they do not >> >understand >> >>>what the consequences could be if enforced. >> >>> >> >>> Really annoying. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> >> >>> Patrick >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms/ <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> >> >>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59:44 PM >> >>> >> >>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - >> >>>suggestions >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Well I am not sure about Australia but here we do have computer >> >>>hacking laws and a simple "Your current computer activity appears to be >illegal >> >and >> >>>you may be prosecuted if you do not cease and desist" dm to the computer >may >> >be >> >>>enough. You of course also make sure that you have a proper logon privacy >> >>>message in place prior to logon that requires an OK click. >> >>> Here is ours: >> >>> >> >>> THIS SYSTEM IS FOR USE OF AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND >> >>>ACTIVITIES ONLY! >> >>> Activities may be subject to monitoring, recording, and periodic audits >> >>> The system and all content are property of CCPL and are NOT >> >>>considered private. >> >>> The organization may access any users accounts or communications. >> >>> Anyone using this system expressly consents to the above and to all >> >>>CCPL Policies and Rules regarding >> >>> computer and Internet use and security. >> >>> OK >> >>> >> >>> This should cover you legally at least. >> >>> Regards >> >>> Jim Kenzig >> >>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com <http://www.techblink.com/> >> ><http://www.techblink.com/> >> >><http://www.techblink.com/> >> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig >> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Berny Stapleton >> >>><berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Yes, it was actually regedit and they were modifying the >> >>>SAM. >> >>> >> >>> Quite clever really, but a little frustrating. >> >>> >> >>> 2009/3/25 Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp. >> >>> <bcoffman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: >> >>> >> >>> > Scheduled task can run in System context & allow >> >>>someone to launch a cmd >> >>> > prompt or something with basically full control of the >> >>>system. >> >>> > >> >>> > -----Original Message----- >> >>> > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> > [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> >>>Of Sorin Srbu >> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 AM >> >>> > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> > Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your >> >>>network - suggestions >> >>> > >> >>> > Could you please elaborate on the scheduler thing, >> >>>what's that about? Thx. >> >>> > -- >> >>> > /Sorin >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>> >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>[mailto:windows2000- >> >>> >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton >> >>> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:38 PM >> >>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your >> >>>network - suggestions >> >>> >> >> >>> >>Oh, turn off the scheduler. Keep your patches up to >> >>>date. 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