i would make them so busy in mundane tasks that they never want to see a computer again. Tasks like load these 100 workstations with Vista. via floppy. one at a time. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > Ok, have you ever actually DONE this? Because in my experience that's NOT > the way it works. That just gives them more opportunities to "explore". In > many cases these kids don't think they're doing any harm because they're > NOT "attacking" - just "looking around". Now I have them logging into > servers, usually at the console in the server room, where they can pop a CD > or floppy in and really do some damage? No thanks! And I have to supervise > them? Sorry, I'm busy enough as it is. I don't have time to babysit. Unless > it's REALLY simple stuff like replacing keyboards or setting up > workstations, I just can't afford to make what I consider a bad investment > of my time and effort > > My solution? I had a meeting with him, the principal, his parents, and the > local cop. We explained exactly what the policy and the law says on this, > and what would happen to him. Done. And word spread fast. They don't stand > much of a chance getting a decent IT job with a criminal record. > > > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:27:03 +0000 > > > Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions > > From: berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Would I TRUST them implicitly? No, it's not their job to be enforcing > > stuff, nor do they have the knowledge or maturity to properly look > > after it. But for 1 or 2 students who see things like network print > > queues filling up all the time (Out of paper and people hitting print > > 20 times because their job didn't come out straight away), and giving > > them something to do (Helping you around the place in their spare > > time, which also means that they are supervised) gives them a sense of > > responsibility for the network, so they don't WANT to attack it so > > much. They will ask you questions, and you will end up teaching them a > > bit, but instead of them attacking the network to find an answer, they > > ask a question. When they see or find something, they come to you > > straight away with it. > > > > It's free and it gets them onside. > > > > Berny > > > > 2009/3/26 Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > > > I gotta go with the solution in Snyder's environment ;-)> I've dealt > with > > > kids like this before. No matter how many holes we plug, they'll > find new > > > ones. You can even put them to work - but would you TRUST them with > your > > > network or sensitive data? They ONLY way to put a stop to it have > > > consequences for their actions - and impose them! > > > > > > Richard Eells > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:30:00 +0000 > > >> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - > suggestions > > >> From: berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > >> OK, > > >> > > >> Maybe it's just me, but you gotta admit, that's inventive! > > >> > > >> I would be asking him if he has considered a career in IT > > >> > > >> Berny > > >> > > >> 2009/3/26 Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx>: > > >> > ok guys, after some serious talking to, the kid has decided to let > us in > > >> > on > > >> > some of his tricks. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > 1. Download zip files allows him to get to the C: drive by > being > > >> > able > > >> > to access the Temp Internet files. > > >> > > > >> > 2. If he disconnects the computer from the network, it installs > a > > >> > local > > >> > profile for him, giving him access to the C: drive and the “Run” > > >> > command. > > >> > > > >> > 3. He runs a “compressed” cmd file from within PowerPoint. > > >> > > > >> > 4. By running “Find Printer” he is able to find users accounts. > > >> > > > >> > 5. He accesses “command.com” (the equivalent of cmd.exe). > > >> > > > >> > 6. He runs cmd.exe to get to files on the servers. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Should this kid not be studying, rather than keeping me busy? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Anyway, just thought to share. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Thanks > > >> > > > >> > Patrick > > >> > > > >> > ________________________________ > > >> > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> > > >> > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:54:33 PM > > >> > Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - > suggestions > > >> > > > >> > Yes I understand kids will be kids but it covers you. > > >> > Jim Kenzig > > >> > Blog: http://www.techblink.com > > >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig > > >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> Hi Jim, > > >> >> > > >> >> This is an idea I have suggested, and I think there is a good case > to > > >> >> push > > >> >> this forward. Whats I have found is that no matter how tight you > try to > > >> >> make > > >> >> things the kids will seek to break in. In most cases because they > do > > >> >> not > > >> >> understand what the consequences could be if enforced. > > >> >> > > >> >> Really annoying. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Thanks > > >> >> > > >> >> Patrick > > >> >> > > >> >> ________________________________ > > >> >> From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms/ <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> > > >> >> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59:44 PM > > >> >> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - > suggestions > > >> >> > > >> >> Well I am not sure about Australia but here we do have computer > hacking > > >> >> laws and a simple "Your current computer activity appears to > be illegal > > >> >> and > > >> >> you may be prosecuted if you do not cease and desist" dm to the > > >> >> computer may > > >> >> be enough. You of course also make sure that you have a proper > logon > > >> >> privacy message in place prior to logon that requires an OK click. > > >> >> Here is ours: > > >> >> THIS SYSTEM IS FOR USE OF AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND ACTIVITIES ONLY! > > >> >> Activities may be subject to monitoring, recording, and periodic > audits > > >> >> The system and all content are property of CCPL and are NOT > considered > > >> >> private. > > >> >> The organization may access any users accounts or communications. > > >> >> Anyone using this system expressly consents to the above and to all > > >> >> CCPL > > >> >> Policies and Rules regarding > > >> >> computer and Internet use and security. > > >> >> OK > > >> >> > > >> >> This should cover you legally at least. > > >> >> Regards > > >> >> Jim Kenzig > > >> >> Blog: http://www.techblink.com > > >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig > > >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Berny Stapleton > > >> >> <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Yes, it was actually regedit and they were modifying the SAM. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Quite clever really, but a little frustrating. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2009/3/25 Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp. > > >> >>> <bcoffman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > >> >>> > Scheduled task can run in System context & allow someone to > launch a > > >> >>> > cmd > > >> >>> > prompt or something with basically full control of the system. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > -----Original Message----- > > >> >>> > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >>> > [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sorin > Srbu > > >> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 AM > > >> >>> > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >>> > Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - > > >> >>> > suggestions > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Could you please elaborate on the scheduler thing, what's that > > >> >>> > about? > > >> >>> > Thx. > > >> >>> > -- > > >> >>> > /Sorin > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> >>-----Original Message----- > > >> >>> >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000- > > >> >>> >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton > > >> >>> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:38 PM > > >> >>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - > > >> >>> >> suggestions > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >>Oh, turn off the scheduler. 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