(VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
- From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:06:48 -0800
dy,
You are all making sense to me. In this case, I would only see this as a
short-term method to get a message across. I personally, won't ever stay
working with a dog whose pace is uncontrollable for me because of my balance
issues. My current dog is a bit slower than Primrose, but truly, we are
working at a much more effective pace for my poor old messed up body.
Hibiscus can be perky too, but even at her most spirited pace, it doesn't
overwhelm me. Having said all that, do remember that I am still receiving my
dogs from GDB who looks for the best match for me and hit it right on the
nail this time.
Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose
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Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:45 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
> In a message dated 12/13/2008 2:30:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> To those who are die-hard clicker users, please don't take offense at my
> suggestion here because it is of the older techniques. I am juust
> thinking
> with this particular dog being trained with different techniques, this
> might
> help. If I have over-stepped my welcome, I apologize. I just know how
> terrible being dragged by a guide dog feels even when they are doing
> their
> job. Enough is enough after a while.
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> I would caution that if this technique doesn't work after a short trial,
> re-evaluate. Especially if it confuses the dog.. handlers can get too
> focused on
> noticing what their dogs do wrong and unintentionally draw attention to
> it,
> thus increasing its presence, versus noticing and praising when the dog
> does
> it right.We as humans can be suckered into correcting as a wway to make
> us
> feell like we are doing something about a problem, that then becomes a
> reward
> for us, not necessarily a effective training technique. That said I have
> tried
> a harnesss check along with making sure I watched for ,clicked and
> rewarded
> the instant of slowing. I would be more likely to use that in apinch of a
> situation vs a normal one.. I feel it as a failure to have trainedd my
> dog well
> enough to handle the situation before it came to that choice..If I had
> trained him well enough and been clearer with my communication, I
> wouldn't have
> needed to resort to that technique. I still think it is easier to teach
> the
> normal pull and pace as a rewarded , trained and non-cued behavior. It is
> the
> rule to get to play the guiding game with me..All dogs and humans should
> have
> to play by the rules.. grin
>
> Sandy
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