(VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog

  • From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:02:21 -0800

t makes good sense to me. I am really enjoying the new techniques in my work 
with Hibiscus. Primrose still takes a combination of things, but she is 
doing fine. I definitely like the more positive approach to doing this. I 
really do.

Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose
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Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog


> In a message dated 12/13/2008 2:21:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> I am  wondering, however, how taking a dog who is used to the old 
> techniques
> and  trying to  acquire a positive outcome with the new clicker techniques
> can be effective toward the outcome desired?
>
>
>
> It does work. You will have to overcome some of the dogs previous training
> though.. In the past you have consistently trained a dog to  not do 
> something.
> Everytime you gave a  correction you stopped a behavior you didn't want. 
> The
> more effectively you did  this, the more behaviors you inhibited. The more
> times you do this , the less  your dog is willing to offer something new. 
> After
> all, he doesn't know if it  will earn a correction, so it is safer to not 
> offer
> it..think about it, if you  were  zapped for every word you didn't 
> pronounce
> right in a  foreign language, would you continue to offer new words or 
> stick to
> the few  words you were able to say right? Unless there were other built 
> in
> rewards, you  wouldnt. Even if you did , it might be pretty hesitant at
> first... That's where  the dogs that have been correction trained are. If 
> the rules
> then arbitrarily  changed and you were given rewards for every new word 
> you
> tried, it could still  be slow at first, because you would still worry 
> about the
> rule arbitrarily  changing back. And then you would be zapped big time.. 
> This
> change does vary  among dogs and people, due to other personality issues 
> and
> their general  natures.. a more trusting outgoing dog might be willing to
> accept that the new  conditions are more permanent than a more reserved, 
> fearful
> dog. The longer a  dog has played in the correction system, the more they 
> are
> likely to stay in  that mode, after all, it has worked all this  time for 
> them
> already, why  change now, they think..Yet, as with people, there are 
> always
> those who embrace  something new, with such abandon  and exuberance that 
> it just
> amazes those  around them..
> does that help explain it?
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