t makes good sense to me. I am really enjoying the new techniques in my work with Hibiscus. Primrose still takes a combination of things, but she is doing fine. I definitely like the more positive approach to doing this. I really do. Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose ----- Original Message ----- From: <Infinitepaws@xxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog > In a message dated 12/13/2008 2:21:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, > d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > I am wondering, however, how taking a dog who is used to the old > techniques > and trying to acquire a positive outcome with the new clicker techniques > can be effective toward the outcome desired? > > > > It does work. You will have to overcome some of the dogs previous training > though.. In the past you have consistently trained a dog to not do > something. > Everytime you gave a correction you stopped a behavior you didn't want. > The > more effectively you did this, the more behaviors you inhibited. The more > times you do this , the less your dog is willing to offer something new. > After > all, he doesn't know if it will earn a correction, so it is safer to not > offer > it..think about it, if you were zapped for every word you didn't > pronounce > right in a foreign language, would you continue to offer new words or > stick to > the few words you were able to say right? Unless there were other built > in > rewards, you wouldnt. Even if you did , it might be pretty hesitant at > first... That's where the dogs that have been correction trained are. If > the rules > then arbitrarily changed and you were given rewards for every new word > you > tried, it could still be slow at first, because you would still worry > about the > rule arbitrarily changing back. And then you would be zapped big time.. > This > change does vary among dogs and people, due to other personality issues > and > their general natures.. a more trusting outgoing dog might be willing to > accept that the new conditions are more permanent than a more reserved, > fearful > dog. The longer a dog has played in the correction system, the more they > are > likely to stay in that mode, after all, it has worked all this time for > them > already, why change now, they think..Yet, as with people, there are > always > those who embrace something new, with such abandon and exuberance that > it just > amazes those around them.. > does that help explain it? > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > > >