I like that a lot. It is something I never would have thought of, but will put into my tool box if I ever need something like that again. Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kolby Garrison" <kolbygarrison@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog > Hello All, > There are times when Sunny goes too fast for my liking, and as soon as I > feel her speed increase I drop the harness handle while letting the leash > slide through my hand. Sunny corrects herself and looks back at me > wondering > what is going on. I tell her to heel, and she then understands that she > was > going to fast. It took a while and many times of using this technique to > let > her know that she was going too fast or pulling too hard, but now she > understands the first time that I drop the handle. During the process you > do > not say anything other than the command to heel, and then the forward > command once the dog is satisfactorily by your side and in position. This > technique has worked well for us, so I thought that I would throw it out > there for what it is or is not worth. > Thank You, > Kolby > > -----Original Message----- > From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DIANNE B. > PHELPS AND PRIMROSE > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:02 PM > To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog > > t makes good sense to me. I am really enjoying the new techniques in my > work > > with Hibiscus. Primrose still takes a combination of things, but she is > doing fine. I definitely like the more positive approach to doing this. I > really do. > > Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Infinitepaws@xxxxxxx> > To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:30 PM > Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog > > >> In a message dated 12/13/2008 2:21:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: >> I am wondering, however, how taking a dog who is used to the old >> techniques >> and trying to acquire a positive outcome with the new clicker >> techniques >> can be effective toward the outcome desired? >> >> >> >> It does work. You will have to overcome some of the dogs previous >> training >> though.. In the past you have consistently trained a dog to not do >> something. >> Everytime you gave a correction you stopped a behavior you didn't want. >> The >> more effectively you did this, the more behaviors you inhibited. The >> more >> times you do this , the less your dog is willing to offer something new. >> After >> all, he doesn't know if it will earn a correction, so it is safer to not >> offer >> it..think about it, if you were zapped for every word you didn't >> pronounce >> right in a foreign language, would you continue to offer new words or >> stick to >> the few words you were able to say right? Unless there were other built >> in >> rewards, you wouldnt. Even if you did , it might be pretty hesitant at >> first... That's where the dogs that have been correction trained are. If >> the rules >> then arbitrarily changed and you were given rewards for every new word >> you >> tried, it could still be slow at first, because you would still worry >> about the >> rule arbitrarily changing back. And then you would be zapped big time.. >> This >> change does vary among dogs and people, due to other personality issues >> and >> their general natures.. a more trusting outgoing dog might be willing to >> accept that the new conditions are more permanent than a more reserved, >> fearful >> dog. The longer a dog has played in the correction system, the more they >> are >> likely to stay in that mode, after all, it has worked all this time for >> them >> already, why change now, they think..Yet, as with people, there are >> always >> those who embrace something new, with such abandon and exuberance that >> it just >> amazes those around them.. >> does that help explain it? >> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and >> favorite sites in one place. Try it now. >> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) >> >> >> >> > > > > >