(VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
- From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:58:24 -0700
Shelley,
This sounds really good. I don't want to have to do this just yet, but I
will be very interested in how things are done next time.
Dianne and Primrose
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From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
>I will say, smile, coming from training, in August, that GDB is now very
> much letting and encouraging students to think outside the box!!!!!! It
> is
> a really cool new format, and I love it. There are discussions now, not
> lectures, you and your dog are a individual team with individual goals you
> work towards in class, and every comment or term given to you is specific
> to
> you and your dog.
>
> And the instructors comment when you ask, "What should I do here," is
> "What
> do you think" and then you talk it out, is a very empowering thing.
> Smile.
>
> I really loved the training this time, and learned quite a bit in the two
> week class.
>
> But very different from seven years ago. You still cover the basics, and
> go
> through all the basic readings, but the personal touches, are wonderful!
>
> In a positive way, smile.
>
>
> Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI
> and Guinevere, Golden lady Guide
> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> Graduate Alumni Association Board
> www.guidedogs.com
>
> More than Any other time, When i hold a beloved book in my hand, my
> limitations fall from me, my spirit is free.
> - Helen Keller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Styron" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:24 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
>
>
> Even if I taught a tail tuck, I am so worried about the tail getting
> hurt that I may not be able to let go of reaching down and protecting
> it, for instance when it's time to close the car door. That would be a
> real test for me. I was even thinking today about how we can possibly
> assist the guide dog schools to get clients to think more abstractly and
> imaginatively about trouble shooting work issues. I think a couple of
> the schools still really discourage clients to think much outside the
> box, when being creative is sometimes so essential to solving work
> related or behavior problems.
>
> Sheila Styron, President
> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
> 816-363-3172
> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DIANNE B.
> PHELPS AND PRIMROSE
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:00 PM
> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
>
>
> Sheila,
>
> I don't think I have ever taught this as a specific task, but tend to
> help
> my dog tuck the tail when on a bus so she doesn't get stepped on. I use
> it
> when closing the door to a car, and I guide their tail when sitting down
> on
> a couch behind a coffee table where there are things on the table which
> could be swished off. It is like they don't always know that their tails
> can
> cause them trouble. I think in this case, the suggestion is to teach
> this as
> a commanded behavior.
>
> I know you have done these things too. It is just that those of us who
> have
> just done these things, don't always think of it as a learned skill for
> our
> dogs, and I find when I see some of the things taught as skills or
> behaviors, I have to stop and think about the behaviors as things I have
>
> just done, but in a different way. Now, people are able to give words to
>
> these things where we learned by trial and error how to keep our dogs
> from
> causing themselves trouble.
>
> I find it interesting how some of the newer training methods do address
> things we used our hands to do or placed our dogs to do without giving
> words
> to what we were doing. We are more experienced humans learning new
> tricks to
> help our dogs know what we need.
>
> Dianne and Primrose
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Styron
> " <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:22 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
>
>
>> This list is so good for me. I am on an emotional wave length with all
>
>> of you, but it's like I am an illiterate author or something. Now
>> please explain to me why tail tucking is a desirable or useful
>> behavior.
>>
>> Sheila Styron, President
>> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
>> 816-363-3172
>> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Diane &
>
>> Raven
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:55 PM
>> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
>>
>>
>> There is a work book, and a set of DVD's for teaching assistance dog
>> behaviors, by different authors. The DVD's are pricey, the workbook is
>
>> on Karen Pryor's site. There is are yahoo discussion groups where
>> there are behavior teaching shared. OC-Assist-Dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> assistance-dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> tasktraining_Assistance-Dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and of course my group
>> and my website will have some teaching details and video for task
>> teaching.
>>
>> these are general sites and not focused on guide behaviors so you may
>> have to wade through many posts while you wait for an answer you are
>> looking for. My group is not yet that large but is not total focus on
>
>> behaviors and there is a lot of other discussions that go on there.
>>
>> I think this group is great for guide information and very helpful
>> information. My personal thoughts are that there are every
>> experienced people here that can help or will find the information
>> needed.
>>
>> I have been searching for the tail tuck information I promised and was
>
>> unable to find it in my files. this is how I would teach it.... if you
>
>> use the clicker principals of breaking any behavior into the smallest
>> pieces before teaching. Than you take those tiny pieces and teach
>> each one so that the piece is solid and reliable before moving on to
>> the next piece of the behavior so that you have a strong foundation.
>> Back-chaining is the process of teaching the end of the behavior first
>
>> and moving to the beginning of the behavior. this sets the dog up for
>
>> success because the dog always knows what comes next.
>>
>> the process isn't mystical, the magic is in the patience, frequency of
>
>> marking and rewarding, timing and generosity with marking and
>> rewarding when building a behavior. And also not lumping... Lumping
>> is the term used when you take too big of a piece or pieces of the
>> behavior. lumping happens from inexperience and sometimes excitement
>> at well and quickly the dog responds and so the handler tries to move
>> ahead too quickly too fast.
>>
>> I am firm believer in teaching journals (thus:
>> AssistanceDogJournal.net) because they help with learning for us and
>> the dog and to review to see the progress you are making and the
>> concerns. Also owner-trainers should always have a journal a detailed
>
>> record of all teaching the dog receives and tasks taught.
>>
>> Oh, my I do go on some times,sorry.
>>
>> Best Wishes & Wags,
>> Diane & Raven
>> APDT#72225
>> http://AssistanceDogJournal.net
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Golden_Paw_ADC/
>> "My Assistance Dog is not my whole life, but she makes my life whole"
>> ~D.L.Shotwell "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul
>> remains unawakened." ~Anatole France
>>
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