This list is so good for me. I am on an emotional wave length with all of you, but it's like I am an illiterate author or something. Now please explain to me why tail tucking is a desirable or useful behavior. Sheila Styron, President Guide Dog Users, Inc. 816-363-3172 sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Diane & Raven Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:55 PM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback? There is a work book, and a set of DVD's for teaching assistance dog behaviors, by different authors. The DVD's are pricey, the workbook is on Karen Pryor's site. There is are yahoo discussion groups where there are behavior teaching shared. OC-Assist-Dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx assistance-dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx tasktraining_Assistance-Dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and of course my group and my website will have some teaching details and video for task teaching. these are general sites and not focused on guide behaviors so you may have to wade through many posts while you wait for an answer you are looking for. My group is not yet that large but is not total focus on behaviors and there is a lot of other discussions that go on there. I think this group is great for guide information and very helpful information. My personal thoughts are that there are every experienced people here that can help or will find the information needed. I have been searching for the tail tuck information I promised and was unable to find it in my files. this is how I would teach it.... if you use the clicker principals of breaking any behavior into the smallest pieces before teaching. Than you take those tiny pieces and teach each one so that the piece is solid and reliable before moving on to the next piece of the behavior so that you have a strong foundation. Back-chaining is the process of teaching the end of the behavior first and moving to the beginning of the behavior. this sets the dog up for success because the dog always knows what comes next. the process isn't mystical, the magic is in the patience, frequency of marking and rewarding, timing and generosity with marking and rewarding when building a behavior. And also not lumping... Lumping is the term used when you take too big of a piece or pieces of the behavior. lumping happens from inexperience and sometimes excitement at well and quickly the dog responds and so the handler tries to move ahead too quickly too fast. I am firm believer in teaching journals (thus: AssistanceDogJournal.net) because they help with learning for us and the dog and to review to see the progress you are making and the concerns. Also owner-trainers should always have a journal a detailed record of all teaching the dog receives and tasks taught. Oh, my I do go on some times,sorry. Best Wishes & Wags, Diane & Raven APDT#72225 http://AssistanceDogJournal.net http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Golden_Paw_ADC/ "My Assistance Dog is not my whole life, but she makes my life whole" ~D.L.Shotwell "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France All posts are considered copyrighted by the author. You must get permission from the poster before forwarding.