Diane and Everyone, The discussion of teaching the behavior of tail-tucking in dogs has raised a point of curiosity in my mind. First, It seems that in many species emotional states are associated with certain physical positions or behaviors: for example, in humans, smiling is associated with feeling happy; in horses, a lowered head is associated with feelings of calmness and safety; and in dogs, a high tail is associated with excited alertness. Sometimes we use these associations to teach our animals, or ourselves, to connect with desired emotional states. So, for example, we teach our horses to drop their heads to the ground on cue or in response to a situation which scares or worries them. Once they learn this behavior, they can be calmed or calm themselves in stressful situations. Last evening I spent about 20 minutes during a raging thunderstorm asking my Arabian horse to lower his head, and clicking and treating when he was able to maintain a head-down position. This enabled him to remain calm and manageable in a situation which would otherwise have caused him to panic. In these cases, the physical act of lowering the head seems to actually produce the feeling of calm in the horse. Another example is that if we have a horse which pins its ears at other horses or at people, and we want the horse to be more pleasant and accepting of the proximity of other horses or of people, then we shape the horse to put its ears forward and we reinforce that behavior with a c/t. We set up the training so that the cue for the ears-forward behavior is the appearance of another horse or of a person. Eventually, the assuming of the ears-forward position actually produces the emotional state of pleasant anticipation in the horse. And as long as the behavior is not punished, by say, people inappropriately patting and sticking their hands in the horse's face or by other horses bullying the trainee horse, the behavior will become self-reinforcing, because feeling pleasant is more desirable than feeling threatened or grumpy. (Occasional c/t or other positive reinforcement will help to maintain the behavior also.) We humans can often teach ourselves to feel happier by practicing smiling or laughing, even if at first it seems forced and unconnected with our true emotional state. And we can find our courage in stressful situations by practicing accessing that emotional state through use of a cue, such as whistling, singing, or talking encouragingly to our dogs. So, these examples would seem to illustrate the principle that teaching a body position or behavior which is naturally associated with a certain emotional state can become a way of triggering the actual emotional state in the animal or person. On the other hand, I can think of examples where an opposite principle seems to be at work: One example involves the movement called "piaffe" in horses. Piaffe is a very collected trot-in-place. It is one of the higher level dressage movements in horses, but it is also a natural horse behavior in situations of high excitement, such as a dominance challenge between two stallions. At least when we teach the behavior using the marker signal and positive reinforcement, we seem to be able to dissociate the behavior from the nervous and stressed emotional state. So, for example, my Arabian horse loves to piaffe and does so with a very pleased and happy expression on his face and none of the feeling of being about to explode that he might have naturally exhibited in connection with this behavior. It seems to me that teaching a dog which barks out of excitement and protectiveness to bark on cue, and rewarding with c/t for the cued behavior, can work similarly, to dissociate the behavior from the original emotional state. In this way, we can therefore teach the dog greater emotional control and reduce the unwanted barking behavior. I would love to hear other people's experience with using this connection between behaviors and emotional states in training with their animals. And I would also like to hear if you have had similar experiences of achieving the dissociation of behavior from its natural emotional state by bringing the behavior under stimulus control. Here's the connection of the above observations with tail-tucking--It is my understanding that tail-tucking in dogs is associated with feelings of submission, fear, or depression. So, if you teach the dog to tuck its tail on cue, using C/T, does this produce the submissive, fearful emotional state in the dog, or does the behavior of tail-tucking become dissociated from the emotional state that would produce it in natural circumstances? When I teach my horse to lower his head in response to a scarey situation or to put her ears forward at the approach of another horse, I want to maintain and strengthen the natural connection between the behavior and the emotional state it produces. But when I teach my dog to tuck it's tail or teach my horse to piaffe, I want the behavior without the emotional state that it would naturally produce. This seems to work fine in practice, but I find it to be a bit puzzling on the theoretical level. So I thought it might be fun to play with these ideas and see what you all think. By the way, even though this topic may be a bit theoretical, I think it has important implications for our practical, day-to-day work with our animals. For example, with a good intuitive grasp of these concepts, Sheila can teach Gretch to be more confident in challenging street crossings and more enthusiastic about guide work in general, and we can all teach our dogs to assume body postures and behaviors which can make them less vulnerable to loose dog attacks or to human petting assaults. (Hmmm, those last two examples--of the loose dog attacks and unwanted human attentions--show that we can not only use cued behaviors to affect the emotional state of the trained animal, but also to affect the emotional state and behavior of other beings.) I hope you have fun turning these ideas over in your heads and that you will share your thoughts with the group. Best to all, Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane & Raven" <dlshotwell2@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback? > Hi Sheila, > I believe I first recommended this behavior in reference to one of the > guides tails getting pinched in a door. > > Some assistance dogs have long tails and some assistance dogs wag them in > the joy of their work with their partners quiet liberally. With dogs like > Great Danes this can mean that in stores and in homes things can get > knocked down or the tail can get injured. Add to this that a dogs tail > sticking into isles, or stretched across the floor could mean injury to > the dog or some one who steps or trips on it. > > It is not a frequently taught behavior. However, when I mentioned it in > my earlier post I said I would share the teaching of the behavior. So I > was trying to do so before I forgot. > > > Best Wishes & Wags, > Diane & Raven > APDT#72225 > http://AssistanceDogJournal.net > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Golden_Paw_ADC/ > "My Assistance Dog is not my whole life, but she makes my life whole" > ~D.L.Shotwell > "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." > ~Anatole France > > All posts are considered copyrighted by the author. You must get > permission from the poster before forwarding. >