In a message dated 12/2/03 5:17:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, jkimble@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Silicon Realms toolworks. http://siliconrealms.com/index.shtml It was probably a trial and if it's been there very long will have expired. ************************************************************** "We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don't know anything and can't read." Mark Twain