Bob - now THAT is funny. So consider this - with all of our technology we can see black holes in the universe. BUT have you ever considered that since we can see them, that by definition any electro magnetic signal that emanated from the area BEFORE they turned into a black hole passed this solar system ages ago? So here is a scenario, if you could catch a radio signal just before the black hole formed it might have composed of this transmission........ "Switching on the Large Hadron Collider Nooooooooooooooooooooowww....." Have a great Friday all wherever you are in the World. Best regards John Burke (408) 515 4992 -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:40 AM To: Bob Landman Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates and the precautionary principal I tried that link and it did not work; "The page could not be found." Evidently it vanished into a Black Hole. True Irony. Steve Smith BL> Great explanation at YouTube BL> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8Vr00EBHA BL> Michio Kaku: Mini Black Holes and the Large Hadron Collider BL> Bob Landman BL> BL> -----Original Message----- BL> From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx BL> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Smith BL> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM BL> To: John Burke BL> Cc: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx BL> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials BL> dictates and the precautionary principal BL> John and all, BL> Please don't worry about this. BL> Stephen Hawking won a prize from the Gravitational Research BL> Foundation in 1973 for a landmark paper proving that black holes BL> radiate, and the smaller ones radiate faster, and the radiation BL> rate increases very rapidly as they get smaller. BL> That, incidentally, is why there are not any quantum black holes. BL> They are about as unstable as you could get, self-converting into BL> radiation in one Chronon (a quantum unit of time. I have no idea BL> how small it is, but it's very small). BL> The mass-equivalence of 17 Tev is more than twelve orders of BL> magnitude below a microgram, according to my "The Energy Level of BL> Things" on my wall here. I could have calculated it but it's been a long day and this was faster. BL> Even if we could make a 100Kg black hole, we would need something BL> almost twenty orders of magnitude bigger than that piddly little BL> Large Hadron Collider. Avogadro's number looks about right. BL> Relax. Those folks publishing that paper evidently never read BL> Hawking's paper, or looked at the energy level of things. BL> Steve Smith BL> ps: John, please forward to those other lists; I'm not subscribed to them. JB>> Just a little food for thought. JB>> While we are busily falling into line with materials policy dictates JB>> from Europe based on the precautionary principal, I thought you JB>> might find it interesting to see what is taking place in Europe with JB>> total disregard for the same principal. JB>> As you are probably aware the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) project JB>> blew up last year during commissioning. The collider is able to JB>> collide particles with energy levels up to I believe 17TeV, and is JB>> in the process of being repaired prior to re-commissioning. JB>> At this power the scientists involved are expecting to find new JB>> particles and are also anticipating the production of 5 dimensional JB>> black holes as an outcome. JB>> The attached reference link is to the high energy particle physics JB>> site. The paper entitled "On the Possibility of Catastrophic Black JB>> Hole Growth in the Warped Brane-World Scenario at the LHC" Describes JB>> the "likely" size of such black holes and assures that they are not liable to reach a "critical mass" JB>> of 100Kg - at which point presumably everything in the area would be JB>> sucked into said black hole swiftly followed by the rest of the JB>> solar system.....they did not probe that scenario... JB>> Here are the links: JB>> http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0901/0901.2948v2.pdf JB>> and... JB>> http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.2948 JB>> No I am not joking this is a real paper on a real site - and I for JB>> one just hope that their assumptions and math about particles they JB>> have never seen are correct. JB>> So much for the "precautionary principal"! JB>> John Burke BL> -- BL> Best regards, BL> Steve mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BL> www.consultingscientist.us BL> http://www.pickensplan.com/ -- Best regards, Steve mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.consultingscientist.us http://www.pickensplan.com/