DMV> I thought the black hole was in our banking systems:-) There's clearly more than one. DMV> One does wonder though who the hell regulates these people. Regulates? Surely, you jest. DMV> We built nuclear bombs and get extremely upset when other countries try to DMV> make their own applying quite aggressive pressure to stop them. Can't hardly blame us for that. They would do the same if tables were turned. DMV> We have genetic experimentation which has been banned in most countries DMV> because of the possible outcomes. Those possible outcomes are now clearly visible. Said genetic experiments have resulted in amoral executives magnetically drawn to financial institutions, there to take root, flourish and prosper, consuming the innards to their own benefit while wasting the remainder, genetically programmed to seek government bailout when their pupation period is finished and they are ready to emerge and take flight, seeking another host. DMV> Even Einstein's research papers were all removed and locked away. Any idea if he had written any thought-experiments about genetics, or finance, or (worse) about both? DMV> The possible outcome of this is more than worrying but no authority seems DMV> bothered. Said authorities are similarly the outcome of aforesaid genetic experiments, programmed not to attack an ally. Steve Smith DMV> Regs Mark DMV> Dr. Mark Vaughan Ph'D., B.Eng. M0VAU DMV> Managing Director DMV> Vaughan Industries Ltd., reg in UK no 2561068 DMV> Water Care Technology Ltd, reg in UK no 4129351 DMV> Addr Unit3, Sydney House, Blackwater, Truro, Cornwall, TR4 8HH UK. DMV> Phone/Fax 44 (0) 1872 561288 DMV> RSGB DRM111 (Cornwall) DMV> -----Original Message----- DMV> From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx DMV> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Landman DMV> Sent: 21 June 2009 16:55 DMV> To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx DMV> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates and the DMV> precautionary principal DMV> works for me still - black hole must be very small and in your computer :-)! DMV> -----Original Message----- DMV> From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx DMV> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Smith DMV> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:40 PM DMV> To: Bob Landman DMV> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates and the DMV> precautionary principal DMV> I tried that link and it did not work; "The page could not be found." DMV> Evidently it vanished into a Black Hole. DMV> True Irony. DMV> Steve Smith BL>> Great explanation at YouTube BL>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8Vr00EBHA BL>> Michio Kaku: Mini Black Holes and the Large Hadron Collider BL>> Bob Landman BL>> BL>> -----Original Message----- BL>> From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx BL>> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Smith BL>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM BL>> To: John Burke BL>> Cc: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx BL>> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates BL>> and the precautionary principal BL>> John and all, BL>> Please don't worry about this. BL>> Stephen Hawking won a prize from the Gravitational Research BL>> Foundation in 1973 for a landmark paper proving that black holes BL>> radiate, and the smaller ones radiate faster, and the radiation rate BL>> increases very rapidly as they get smaller. BL>> That, incidentally, is why there are not any quantum black holes. BL>> They are about as unstable as you could get, self-converting into BL>> radiation in one Chronon (a quantum unit of time. I have no idea BL>> how small it is, but it's very small). BL>> The mass-equivalence of 17 Tev is more than twelve orders of BL>> magnitude below a microgram, according to my "The Energy Level of BL>> Things" on my wall here. I could have calculated it but it's been a DMV> long day and this was faster. BL>> Even if we could make a 100Kg black hole, we would need something BL>> almost twenty orders of magnitude bigger than that piddly little BL>> Large Hadron Collider. Avogadro's number looks about right. BL>> Relax. Those folks publishing that paper evidently never read BL>> Hawking's paper, or looked at the energy level of things. BL>> Steve Smith BL>> ps: John, please forward to those other lists; I'm not subscribed to DMV> them. JB>>> Just a little food for thought. JB>>> While we are busily falling into line with materials policy JB>>> dictates from Europe based on the precautionary principal, I JB>>> thought you might find it interesting to see what is taking place JB>>> in Europe with total disregard for the same principal. JB>>> As you are probably aware the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) project JB>>> blew up last year during commissioning. The collider is able to JB>>> collide particles with energy levels up to I believe 17TeV, and is JB>>> in the process of being repaired prior to re-commissioning. JB>>> At this power the scientists involved are expecting to find new JB>>> particles and are also anticipating the production of 5 dimensional JB>>> black holes as an outcome. JB>>> The attached reference link is to the high energy particle physics JB>>> site. The paper entitled "On the Possibility of Catastrophic Black JB>>> Hole Growth in the Warped Brane-World Scenario at the LHC" JB>>> Describes the "likely" size of such black holes and assures that they DMV> are not liable to reach a "critical mass" JB>>> of 100Kg - at which point presumably everything in the area would JB>>> be sucked into said black hole swiftly followed by the rest of the JB>>> solar system.....they did not probe that scenario... JB>>> Here are the links: JB>>> http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0901/0901.2948v2.pdf JB>>> and... JB>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.2948 JB>>> No I am not joking this is a real paper on a real site - and I for JB>>> one just hope that their assumptions and math about particles they JB>>> have never seen are correct. JB>>> So much for the "precautionary principal"! JB>>> John Burke BL>> -- BL>> Best regards, BL>> Steve mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BL>> www.consultingscientist.us BL>> http://www.pickensplan.com/ DMV> -- DMV> Best regards, DMV> Steve mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx DMV> www.consultingscientist.us DMV> http://www.pickensplan.com/ -- Best regards, Steve mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.consultingscientist.us http://www.pickensplan.com/