And that is the point I was trying to make on the thread. Having banned lead in solder without any scientific evidence or testing of whether it was an issue or not, how in the World can they let CERN loose making black holes based on math that will be PROVEN if the particles they generate work out. In effect the result is a complete unknown as there is no math in the world that you can run the numbers on without making all of the assumptions about the outcome of the experiment - and if the outcome does not fit the math it will be ways too late to go back over the numbers. Like I said originally - what happened to the precautionary principal? John Burke (408) 515 4992 -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dr Mark Vaughan Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:42 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates and the precautionary principal I was more thinking some unqualified idiot in EU Gov banned our good solder when they didn't really have a clue. AND Why hasn't some similar idiot in EU come along banned black holes. Then think that the first judgement isn't cataclysmic, but despite Cerns study, where there are many assumptions, and wide uncertainty factors if you make a mistake were really in trouble. I am really surprised public or political fear hasn't intervened Regs Mark Dr. Mark Vaughan Ph'D., B.Eng. M0VAU Managing Director Vaughan Industries Ltd., reg in UK no 2561068 Water Care Technology Ltd, reg in UK no 4129351 Addr Unit3, Sydney House, Blackwater, Truro, Cornwall, TR4 8HH UK. Phone/Fax 44 (0) 1872 561288 RSGB DRM111 (Cornwall) -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cronk, William CIV USA AMC Sent: 23 June 2009 10:54 To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates and the precautionary principal Okay, I can related a black hole to tin-wiskers! First someone needs to develop an MEMs device which contains a micro black hole held within a stable magnetic bottle with a lid on it. The purpose of the lid is to allow the surrounding circuitry to open and close it on demand. At timed intervals the lid is opened which then will draw in all developing tin-whiskers for disposal. There is another added benefit, such as on a circuit card installed in a computer it could also help control the dust bunnies in the computer case. Nuf' Said. Bill -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:49 PM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates and the precautionary principal On 21 Jun 2009, at 20:04, Dr Mark Vaughan wrote: > I thought the black hole was in our banking systems:-) > > One does wonder though who the hell regulates these people... > > The possible outcome of this is more than worrying but no authority > seems bothered. To be perfectly honest, it is not worrying at all, the physics is straightforward. Even the fundamentalists have faith in their God. This discussion is off-topic, straying into areas in which you may not be competent, and threatens to undermine the credibility of the main tin-whiskers issue, in which I believe strongly. regards, Rod rod.dalitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx