[THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
- From: "Jeff Durbin" <techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:21:22 +1200
Boy, these discussions go off the track sometimes!!! From TS vs. Citrix to
HP drivers, to cost of living, to hired sharpshooters. What's next?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
> Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 8:21 a.m.
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
> Well I know some guys... if anyone is really serious about
> that there are people looking... and he's right pays well.=20
>
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> Microsoft MVP, Windows Server=20
> =20
> RapidApp, Chicago
> Office 312.372.7188
> Mobile 815.325.7618
> email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> =20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claudio Rodrigues [mailto:crodrigues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:10 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
> Pays really well if you move to Colombia.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> Sent: April 1, 2004 3:00 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
>
> I didn't type back then (and I really don't think I type now
> come to think about it).=3D3D20 But I could put a ton of
> rounds down range very accurately. Nice skill to have out
> there. Doesn't pay well though.
>
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> Microsoft MVP, Windows Server=3D3D20
> =3D3D20
> RapidApp, Chicago
> Office 312.372.7188
> Mobile 815.325.7618
> email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> =3D3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Mangan [mailto:tmangan@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:44 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
> Ahhh... That must be where you learned to type!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:29 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
> You know. I was in the gulf in '91 for the first foray into
> the =3D3D sand.=3D3D3D20
>
> Now I just think I could be manning a check point or pulling
> duty on some perimeter security detail and my all of the
> sudden my house and the crappy commute, and long hours etc
> etc all become very nice =3D3D bonuses.=3D3D3D20
>
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> Microsoft MVP, Windows Server=3D3D3D20
> =3D3D3D20
> RapidApp, Chicago
> Office 312.372.7188
> Mobile 815.325.7618
> email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> =3D3D3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
> I suppose the only way to feel better about it is to imagine
> somewhere that's worse! =3D3D3D20
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Claudio Rodrigues
> > Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 7:06 a.m.
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >=3D3D3D20
> > - We have 15% GST.
> > - Winter means -40oC.
> > - GPRS unlimited costs you US$ 90.00 per month.
> > - More than 1/2 of the country is a fridge.
> > - We are not close to Australia.
> > - Everything you can imagine costs 25 to 40% more if you
> buy=3D3D3D20
> >it in a place 2 hours drive from here (means, just across
> the=3D3D3D20
> > border) with no reasonable explanation.
> > - We need to deal with 2 official, completely different, languages.
> > - People with US$ 1 Million to invest in the country,
> after=3D3D3D20
> >applying for a Visa at Immigration usually wait 14-18
> months;=3D3D3D20
> > - Refugees that will live off the welfare system for
> years=3D3D3D20
> >can apply and get a Visa in 3-6 months.
> >=3D3D3D20
> > I wish I could move to NZ.
> >=3D3D3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D20
> > Sent: April 1, 2004 1:46 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >=3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20 $1750 NZD =3D3D3D3D3D3D 630 pounds. In the US,
> >that printer is =3D
> under=3D3D3D20
> > $600. New =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D Zealand is an expensive place to =3D
> buy=3D3D3D20
> > anything. For reasons, I suppose you can =3D3D3D3D
> =3D3D3D3D3D start =
> with
> =3D
> =3D3D
> the=3D3D3D20
> > 12 1/2 percent tax (GST) on any goods and services that are =
> =3D3D3D3D3D
> =3D
> =3D3D
> sold
> > (translation: everything). $200 of that price is GST. If
> you=3D3D3D20
> > want to =3D3D3D3D3D really cringe, I pay 50 cents per minute to =3D
> talk=3D3D3D20
> > on a cell phone (to anywhere =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D in the
> country) or
> > =
> on =3D
> =3D3D
> a=3D3D3D20
> > land line to anywhere other than 'local'. I could =3D3D3D3D =
> =3D3D3D3D3D go
> =3D
> =3D3D
> on=3D3D3D20
> > and on. The cost of living here will eventually drive me
> back=3D3D3D20
> >to the =3D3D3D3D3D U.S.
> > The odd part is that most kiwis don't seem to know that
> it's=3D3D3D20
> >expensive =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D here.
> >=3D3D3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > > Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 12:42 a.m.
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare=3D3D3D20
> > TS =3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > >$1750???? What does that translate to as =3D3D3D3D3DA3
> sterling? =3D
> We=3D3D3D20
> > pay=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D3DA3350 for the 1300N -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 01 April 2004 02:33
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =
> =3D3D3D
> =3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 The customer in question has a few locations where =
> =3D3D
> they=3D3D3D20
> > >have=3D3D3D3D3D20 low volume printing, but need it to not
> rely on a
> > >=
> =3D
> =3D3D
> PC=3D3D3D20
> > >being=3D3D3D3D3D20 turned on for it to print, so we're looking =3D
> for=3D3D3D20
> > >something=3D3D3D3D3D20 cheap. The lowest end networked
> Laserjet here
> > >=
> =3D
> is
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> the=3D3D3D20
> > >1300N,=3D3D3D3D3D20 but it's $1750, which would be cost
> prohibitive
> > >=
> =3D
> =3D3D
> for=3D3D3D20
> > >this=3D3D3D3D3D20 customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because =
> it's
> =3D
> =3D3D
> a=3D3D3D20
> > >GDI=3D3D3D3D3D20 printer, but the
> > > 1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money.
> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > JD
> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m.
> > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs=3D3D3D20
> > Bare TS =3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > > >Hi Jeff, It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer =3D3D
> and=3D3D3D20
> > > >do=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > EVERYTHING on=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > the host computer. You're not talking printer drivers,
> you've got
> > a=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > full print engine with all the bells and whistles.
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > This type of printer is no bargain in a networked=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > environment if you=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very least
> > you'll=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > need some form of universal printer driver.
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print server
> > (eg=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching.
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Regards,
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Rick
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Ulrich Mack
> > > > rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Volante Systems
> > > > 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
> > > > Queensland Australia.=3D3D3D3D3D20 tel +61 7 3246 7704
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 -----Original
> > > >Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs=3D3D3D20
> > Bare TS =3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at =
> a=3D3D3D20
> > cheap HP=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > laser for a=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements:
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended by =
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D3D
> > the=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > operating system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB for
> > full=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM =3D
> disk=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > drive; USB,=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, =3D
> or=3D3D3D3D3D20
> =3D3D3D20
> > > >ECP-compliant parallel port =3D3D3D3D3D20 140 MB for
> full=3D3D3D20
> > installation and=3D3D3D20
> > > >10MB just for drivers. Talk
> > about=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > bloatware. 140MB. How could you *possibly* use 140MB of disk
> > space=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > just to manage a printer?
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m.
> > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare =3D3D
> TS=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 We have had so many problems with HP color =3D3D
> printers=3D3D3D20
> > > > >that=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > we made all=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a =3D3D
> long=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > way to go=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > with their drivers and compatibility with Citrix, no question.
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net
> [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare =3D3D
> TS=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 Don't know what world you
> are living
> > > > >=
> in
> =3D
> =3D3D
> there =3D3D3D
> Jeff=3D3D3D20
> > > > >but=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > everytime we=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > get a new model HP printer here put on a workstation =3D
> on=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > our network=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > it is a living hell. Citrix servers start blue=3D3D3D20
> > screening and=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > > > >rebooting etc etc. All because of a printer. JK
> =3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D
> =3D3D3D20
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare =3D3D
> TS=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 I haven't had a problem
> with an HP =
> =3D
> driver on
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> Citrix=3D3D3D20
> > > > >since =3D3D3D3D
> > Carly=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Fiorino took over. HP did a big press release about her, =3D
> =3D3D3D3D
> > which=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > included
> > > > her e-mail
> > > > > address. The address was posted on this list. =3D
> Within=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > the week, she=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > had received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers. Within 2
> > > > months, I had
> > > > > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or =3D3D
> have=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > used since.=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > I still stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil.
> Jeff=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Shonk,=3D3D3D20
> > Joe - Perot
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM
> > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare =3D3D
> TS=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 You mean like HP, a multi-billion
> dollar=3D3D3D20
> > international=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > company that=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > can't write print drivers?
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare =3D3D
> TS=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 Can you even believe that
> an app =3D
> vendor=3D3D3D20
> > would tell you=3D3D3D20
> > > > >that
> > > > they don't
> > > > > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've
> > > > heard it a
> > > > > =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D bunch of times over the
> years), it
> > > > > =
> =3D
> makes =3D3D
> me =3D3D3D
> feel =3D3D3D3D
> > like =3D3D3D3D3D
> > the=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > vendor is just =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D ignorant. How can you ignore =
> =3D3D
> a=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > technology that is=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > so widely used? Ensuring that an =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D app runs =
> =3D3D3D
> properly=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > under TS is=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > trivial. I hope
> > > > the market's
> > > > > natural selection process takes care of companies like =
> =3D3D3D3D3D
> > that.=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From:
> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Angus Macdonald
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m.
> > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> > > > Bare TS =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware.
> > > > > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. The =3D3D
> UK=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > branch=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >flatly refuses to have anything to do with TS or=3D3D3D20
> > Citrix with us.
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: J H [mailto:jeffrey_hicks@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:53
> > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare TS =3D
> =3D3D3D
> =3D3D3D3D3D
> > =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 We have a vendor ( McKesson ) who
> is telling
> > > > > >=
> =3D
> us
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> =3D3D3D3D
> > they=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >will=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 support their application
> running in =3D
> a=3D3D3D20
> > Citrix=3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >environment but=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 will not support it in a =
> =3D3D3D
> bare=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > Win2k3 Terminal=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >Server environment.
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > I know, I know, I should just keep my mouth shut
> and =3D3D3D3D
> > I'll=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D3D3D
> > =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >finally get the Citrix manageability, client =3D3D
> flexibility=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > and=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >maybe even the MSAM I dream about but money is tight =3D3D
> for=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > this=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >hospital.
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > We serve up full desktops via Win2k3 TS,
> Session=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > Directory=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >with TS Profiles.
> > > > > > At the point of the executable running on the =3D
> server,=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > does=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >Citrix offer anything over and above Terminal Services?
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > > University of Colorado Hospital=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =
> =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
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