[THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
- From: "Claudio Rodrigues" <crodrigues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:05:53 -0500
- We have 15% GST.
- Winter means -40oC.
- GPRS unlimited costs you US$ 90.00 per month.
- More than 1/2 of the country is a fridge.
- We are not close to Australia.
- Everything you can imagine costs 25 to 40% more if you buy it in a
place 2 hours drive from here (means, just across the border) with no
reasonable explanation.
- We need to deal with 2 official, completely different, languages.
- People with US$ 1 Million to invest in the country, after applying for
a Visa at Immigration usually wait 14-18 months; - Refugees that will
live off the welfare system for years can apply and get a Visa in 3-6
months.
I wish I could move to NZ.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: April 1, 2004 1:46 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
$1750 NZD =3D3D 630 pounds. In the US, that printer is under $600. New =
=3D
Zealand
is an expensive place to buy anything. For reasons, I suppose you can =
=3D
start
with the 12 1/2 percent tax (GST) on any goods and services that are =3D
sold
(translation: everything). $200 of that price is GST. If you want to =3D
really
cringe, I pay 50 cents per minute to talk on a cell phone (to anywhere =
=3D
in
the country) or on a land line to anywhere other than 'local'. I could =
=3D
go on
and on. The cost of living here will eventually drive me back to the =3D
U.S.
The odd part is that most kiwis don't seem to know that it's expensive =
=3D
here.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 12:42 a.m.
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>=3D20
> $1750???? What does that translate to as =3DA3 sterling? We pay=3D20
> =3DA3350 for the 1300N -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 01 April 2004 02:33
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>=3D20
>=3D20
> The customer in question has a few locations where they have=3D20
> low volume printing, but need it to not rely on a PC being=3D20
> turned on for it to print, so we're looking for something=3D20
> cheap. The lowest end networked Laserjet here is the 1300N,=3D20
> but it's $1750, which would be cost prohibitive for this=3D20
> customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because it's a GDI=3D20
> printer, but the
> 1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money.
>=3D20
> JD
>=3D20
>=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m.
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >=3D20
> > Hi Jeff,
> > It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer and do=3D20
> EVERYTHING on=3D20
> > the host computer. You're not talking printer drivers, you've got
a=3D20
> > full print engine with all the bells and whistles.
> >=3D20
> > This type of printer is no bargain in a networked=3D20
> environment if you=3D20
> > want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very least
you'll=3D20
> > need some form of universal printer driver.
> >=3D20
> > Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print server
(eg=3D20
> > native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching.
> >=3D20
> > Regards,
> >=3D20
> > Rick
> >=3D20
> > Ulrich Mack
> > rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Volante Systems
> > 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
> > Queensland Australia.=3D20
> > tel +61 7 3246 7704
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at a cheap HP=3D20
> laser for a=3D20
> > customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements:
> >=3D20
> > MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended by =
the=3D20
> > operating system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB for
full=3D20
> > installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM disk=3D20
> drive; USB,=3D20
> > dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, or=3D20
> > ECP-compliant parallel port
> >=3D20
> > 140 MB for full installation and 10MB just for drivers. Talk
about=3D20
> > bloatware. 140MB. How could you *possibly* use 140MB of disk
space=3D20
> > just to manage a printer?
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m.
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > >=3D20
> > > We have had so many problems with HP color printers that=3D20
> we made all=3D20
> > > color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a long=3D20
> way to go=3D20
> > > with their drivers and compatibility with Citrix, no question.
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > Don't know what world you are living in there Jeff but=3D20
> everytime we=3D20
> > > get a new model HP printer here put on a workstation on=3D20
> our network=3D20
> > > it is a living hell. Citrix servers start blue screening and=3D20
> > > rebooting etc etc. All because of a printer. JK
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > I haven't had a problem with an HP driver on Citrix since =
Carly=3D20
> > > Fiorino took over. HP did a big press release about her, =
which=3D20
> > > included
> > her e-mail
> > > address. The address was posted on this list. Within=3D20
> the week, she=3D20
> > > had received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers. Within 2
> > months, I had
> > > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or have=3D20
> used since.=3D20
> > > I still stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil. Jeff
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shonk, Joe - Perot
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > >=3D20
> > > You mean like HP, a multi-billion dollar international=3D20
> company that=3D20
> > > can't write print drivers?
> > >=3D20
> > > Joe
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > Can you even believe that an app vendor would tell you that
> > they don't
> > > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've
> > heard it a
> > > =3D3D =3D3D3D bunch of times over the years), it makes me feel =
like =3D
the=3D20
> > > vendor is just =3D3D3D ignorant. How can you ignore a=3D20
> technology that is=3D20
> > > so widely used? Ensuring that an =3D3D3D app runs properly=3D20
> under TS is=3D20
> > > trivial. I hope
> > the market's
> > > natural selection process takes care of companies like =3D
that.=3D3D3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20=3D20
> > > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m.
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> > Bare TS =3D3D3D20
> > > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware.
> > > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. The UK=3D20
> branch=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >flatly refuses to have anything to do with TS or Citrix with us.
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: J H [mailto:jeffrey_hicks@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:53
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =3D
=3D3D3D20=3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20 We have a vendor ( McKesson ) who is telling us =
they=3D20
> > > >will=3D3D3D20 support their application running in a Citrix=3D20
> > > >environment but=3D3D3D20 will not support it in a bare=3D20
> Win2k3 Terminal=3D20
> > > >Server environment.
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > I know, I know, I should just keep my mouth shut and =
I'll=3D3D3D20
=3D
=3D20
> > > >finally get the Citrix manageability, client flexibility=3D20
> and=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >maybe even the MSAM I dream about but money is tight for=3D20
> this=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >hospital.
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > We serve up full desktops via Win2k3 TS, Session=3D20
> Directory=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >with TS Profiles.
> > > > At the point of the executable running on the server,=3D20
> does=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >Citrix offer anything over and above Terminal Services?
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Jeff
> > > > University of Colorado Hospital=3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
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