$1750 NZD =3D 630 pounds. In the US, that printer is under $600. New = Zealand is an expensive place to buy anything. For reasons, I suppose you can = start with the 12 1/2 percent tax (GST) on any goods and services that are = sold (translation: everything). $200 of that price is GST. If you want to = really cringe, I pay 50 cents per minute to talk on a cell phone (to anywhere = in the country) or on a land line to anywhere other than 'local'. I could = go on and on. The cost of living here will eventually drive me back to the = U.S. The odd part is that most kiwis don't seem to know that it's expensive = here. > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald > Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 12:42 a.m. > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS >=20 > $1750???? What does that translate to as =A3 sterling? We pay=20 > =A3350 for the 1300N -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: 01 April 2004 02:33 > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS >=20 >=20 > The customer in question has a few locations where they have=20 > low volume printing, but need it to not rely on a PC being=20 > turned on for it to print, so we're looking for something=20 > cheap. The lowest end networked Laserjet here is the 1300N,=20 > but it's $1750, which would be cost prohibitive for this=20 > customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because it's a GDI=20 > printer, but the > 1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money. >=20 > JD >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m. > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > >=20 > > Hi Jeff, > > It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer and do=20 > EVERYTHING on=20 > > the host computer. You're not talking printer drivers, you've got a=20 > > full print engine with all the bells and whistles. > >=20 > > This type of printer is no bargain in a networked=20 > environment if you=20 > > want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very least you'll=20 > > need some form of universal printer driver. > >=20 > > Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print server (eg=20 > > native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching. > >=20 > > Regards, > >=20 > > Rick > >=20 > > Ulrich Mack > > rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Volante Systems > > 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064 > > Queensland Australia.=20 > > tel +61 7 3246 7704 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > >=20 > >=20 > > Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at a cheap HP=20 > laser for a=20 > > customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements: > >=20 > > MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended by the=20 > > operating system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB for full=20 > > installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM disk=20 > drive; USB,=20 > > dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, or=20 > > ECP-compliant parallel port > >=20 > > 140 MB for full installation and 10MB just for drivers. Talk about=20 > > bloatware. 140MB. How could you *possibly* use 140MB of disk space=20 > > just to manage a printer? > >=20 > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m. > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > > >=20 > > > We have had so many problems with HP color printers that=20 > we made all=20 > > > color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a long=20 > way to go=20 > > > with their drivers and compatibility with Citrix, no question. > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Don't know what world you are living in there Jeff but=20 > everytime we=20 > > > get a new model HP printer here put on a workstation on=20 > our network=20 > > > it is a living hell. Citrix servers start blue screening and=20 > > > rebooting etc etc. All because of a printer. JK > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > > > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > I haven't had a problem with an HP driver on Citrix since Carly=20 > > > Fiorino took over. HP did a big press release about her, which=20 > > > included > > her e-mail > > > address. The address was posted on this list. Within=20 > the week, she=20 > > > had received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers. Within 2 > > months, I had > > > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or have=20 > used since.=20 > > > I still stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil. Jeff > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shonk, Joe - Perot > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > > >=20 > > > You mean like HP, a multi-billion dollar international=20 > company that=20 > > > can't write print drivers? > > >=20 > > > Joe > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Can you even believe that an app vendor would tell you that > > they don't > > > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've > > heard it a > > > =3D =3D3D bunch of times over the years), it makes me feel like = the=20 > > > vendor is just =3D3D ignorant. How can you ignore a=20 > technology that is=20 > > > so widely used? Ensuring that an =3D3D app runs properly=20 > under TS is=20 > > > trivial. I hope > > the market's > > > natural selection process takes care of companies like = that.=3D3D20 > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20=20 > > > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald > > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m. > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs > > Bare TS =3D3D20 > > > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware. > > > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. The UK=20 > branch=3D3D20 =20 > > > >flatly refuses to have anything to do with TS or Citrix with us. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: J H [mailto:jeffrey_hicks@xxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:53 > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [THIN] Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS = =3D3D20=20 > > > >=3D3D20 We have a vendor ( McKesson ) who is telling us they=20 > > > >will=3D3D20 support their application running in a Citrix=20 > > > >environment but=3D3D20 will not support it in a bare=20 > Win2k3 Terminal=20 > > > >Server environment. > > > >=3D3D20 > > > > I know, I know, I should just keep my mouth shut and I'll=3D3D20 = =20 > > > >finally get the Citrix manageability, client flexibility=20 > and=3D3D20 =20 > > > >maybe even the MSAM I dream about but money is tight for=20 > this=3D3D20 =20 > > > >hospital. > > > >=3D3D20 > > > > We serve up full desktops via Win2k3 TS, Session=20 > Directory=3D3D20 =20 > > > >with TS Profiles. > > > > At the point of the executable running on the server,=20 > does=3D3D20 =20 > > > >Citrix offer anything over and above Terminal Services? > > > >=3D3D20 > > > > thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > University of Colorado Hospital=3D3D20 =3D3D20 > > > > =3D3D20 > > > >=3D3D20 > > > >=3D3D20 > > > >=3D3D20 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages=3D3D20 = =20 > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.c > > > > om/default.asp > > > > ?SRC=3D3D3Dlycos10 > > > > ******************************************************** > > > > This weeks sponsor Emergent Online. > > > > Emergent OnLine is the leading server-based computing=3D3D20 =20 > > > >consulting integration firm in the nation. 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