[THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
- From: "Lucas Boyken" <lboyken@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:29:14 -0500
Neil,
The whole speal on Microsoft was just that. Once again, context of the
conversation is everyting. I am neither pro Microsoft or anti
Microsoft. I use their products because they are the best solution for
my customer base. We were simply talking and expressing opinions. I
didn't know that this was a closed community in which when you expressed
a certain opinion members of this community would get upset. Neil, I
was simply making the point that MS could do a better job a
coding...They are in fact king of the hill and should expect criticism.
By being so successful, they are becoming a victum of their own
success...just as IBM has in the past and Dell will in the future. It
is the cyclical nature of the IT industry.
It is safe to say that you and I have been in this game a long time and
are set in our ways. I'm not going to sit here and tell you what you
said was wrong, because it wasn't. I wanted to clarify my opinions.
Thank you.
Respectfully,
Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical Representative
lboyken@xxxxxxxxx
Company Phone: 800.222.7601
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-----Original Message-----
From: Braebaum, Neil [mailto:Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:57 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
Comments inline...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucas Boyken [mailto:lboyken@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 11 June 2003 22:08
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
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> Ok, since I've been taking some flack for the comments
> mentioning Microsoft and their inefficient code, I must=20
> clarify. For all you out there that simply LOVE Microsoft,=20
I simply don't LOVE Microsoft.
I've worked in the industry for well over a decade. Started off in
mainframe environments, spent a good few years as a UNIX systems
programmer - perhaps the most enjoyable of my career, and for the last 6
or 7 years mainly with mid-scale OSs (typically Microsoft NT, W2K,
Winframe, you get the idea).
> they do have poorly written code.
As do practically most vendors. Your point?
Anybody who hasn't encountered serious issues with other platforms' OS
and applications has simply not been pushed that hard when using them.
Over the years, I've encountered serious OS and *major* application
vendors' software problems that have been on large scale UNIX platforms,
and enterprise level relational databases - so don't tell me Microsoft
are unique - granny and eggs springs to mind.
> However, if you examine the
> situation, context and subject of this pointed comment, it is=20
> easy to understand why I expressed myself the way I did. =20
> Microsoft is a Large corporation. The left brain doesn't=20
> always talk to the right brain and vice versa. They write=20
> extremely complex and time consuming programs that have=20
> millions of lines of code and logic that at the end of the=20
> day must all fit together and work to a certain level of=20
> proficiency or the whole thing is garbage. Yes, Microsoft=20
> and every other programming company out there has a tough=20
> job. With all that said, though, when you are on top of the=20
> Mountain (King per say) you have to keep doing the job=20
> cleaner and better than everyone else. It is simply my=20
> opinion that Microsoft could be doing a better job.
As could many. Your point?
Some peoples' anti-Microsoft perspective is just as tedious, if not more
so, than those that worship the hallowed ground that is Microsoft.
Technology is technology, is technology...
> If they
> aren't careful, they will become a dinosaur and be seen just=20
> as they saw IBM in the early 80's.
Whilst there's a certain degree of inevitability, and cycle with it, IBM
never had the prevalence that Microsoft do - simply be merit of
computers being so much more prevalent than they were in IBM's halcyon
days.
> Hopefully this clears the
> air a little bit and all of you out there that take some kind=20
> of personal offense to the comments I have made about=20
> Microsoft,
I didn't take personal offence at all - I just find the anti-Microsoft
thing as tedious as the pro-Microsoft thing. Clearly YMMV.
> well then...you need help or something.
Et tu?
> They
> aren't your hometown baseball team or anything...they are=20
> just another big American corporation trying to take your=20
> money by making a product they think you need.
So why so polarised, then?
> By the way, I'm not a Linux/Unix hacker/cracker. I'm just an
> average, everyday computer consultant that has seen his fair=20
> share of many different software companies make mistakes that=20
> makes my life harder.
Indeed - as have I.
Over the years, I've been seriously let down by some fairly major
vendors on numerous platforms. That is the nature of the beast.
When such inevitability seems to be polarised against one company, over,
and over, and over, and over, it does get a bit tedious. Emperor's new
clothes, and all that. There is *nothing* new under the sun, here.
Those that think there is, and focus purely on Microsoft are either (or
all) naive, inexperienced or blinkered.
> If you make my life harder than it has
> to be, well, I'm going to say something not so nice about=20
> you.
And no other of those "many different software companies" that made your
life harder, were worth mention in your diatribe?
Neil
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