No, Citrix is very useful if you need it's feature set. What I do with my clients is fairly simple (Full Desktops, low granualrity of applications, no 'publishing'), so 95% of what Citrix does I don't need. (And I use Tricerat for printing). *But*, what a lot of other people (Including, I think, most on this list) do is more complex, and needs Citrix. Some people, I am sure, are still using Citrix because they always have, and haven't had an opportunity to evaluate whether 2K3 fits their current needs instead. I've never looked at Citrix because I don't need it - never used it, don't plan to, and from the complexities described on this list, am very glad I don't! But lots of others do need it and will contniue to do so. Nick _____ From: Bill Beckett [mailto:Bill.beckett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 31 August 2004 13:41 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client I'm kind of going back to the original thread here....not going to get in between Ron and Phil. So, point being made, if I'm understanding this correctly is...Citrix has limited use if you are running Windows 2003. What is your outlook for the future of Citrix? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:Roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:37 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client Your kidding right? What metrics are you using to compare the two protocols, and what is the pay pack? Ron _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Newman, Phil Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client The main driver I have seen for Citrix recently is the bandwidth issue, in implementing a new farm - we found that the bandwidth required for Terminal server, and hence the increase in Network cost - exceeds the cost of the Citrix licenses... -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nick Smith Sent: 26 August 2004 15:15 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client Hmmm...upgrade 5 users to Citrix on Win2k = c. $2000(I think). Upgrade 5 usrs from win2k to w2k3 = c. $750. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 26 August 2004 14:54 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client True, but in a environment where they do not have any terminal services, it is very difficult to see a compelling argument for Ctx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett Sent: 26 August 2004 14:39 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client Well the cost of 2003 is upgrading to 2003 if you're not there yet. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:39 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client Cost, no Citrix tax. With windows 2003 there is little or no advantage in using ica locally. A native windows 2003 with a WTS gateway will provide almost the same experience as a Citrix XPa environment with none of the added expense -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jason Miller Sent: 26 August 2004 14:26 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] RDP Vs. ICA Client I'm just curious about something within this group. I've noticed more people than I expcected using RDP to connect their users to their Metaframe servers. I've always been a big ICA client person myself. I'm just curious to see what benefits some folks see w/ the RDP client over the ICA client, or is it just preference? Thanks. Jay ******************************************************** This Weeks Sponsor RTO Software Do you know which applications are abusing your CPU and memory? Would you like to learn? -- Free for a limited time! 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