[THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
- From: "Tony Lyne" <Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:23:11 +1200
Don't forget the other options.
The Metaframe family of products even though may cost a few $$$ initially,
usually will allow for growth into the web portal space a lot easier than a
Microsoft Terminal Services/WTS Gateway type solution.
We run into the argument with clients here a lot, wether to spend the extra $$$
on citrix or just go to terminal services, Some cases there's no justification
for citrix (As the site may be a small site with no growth planned) , but if
the sites growing and growth in the future is expected (especially into the web
portal space securely and easily) Citrix may be a better solution.
Just remember that MF is only 1 of Citrix products and it then allows you to
get into another whole range of other solutions.
Tony Lyne
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From: Cláudio Rodrigues [mailto:Claudio.Rodrigues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2004 5:45 a.m.
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
It is not that simple. The main questions are:
- Are you in Subscription Advantage or not? If not how much will you
need to spend to get Citrix?
- What exactly are you doing? Publishing individual applications to
individual groups and/or users or not? If not, TS 2003 will do the trick easily.
- Do you need all the fancy features on MetaFrame XPe? If not, you
probably need XPa to do load balancing but in this case you can do it without
Citrix.
- How many servers/users are we talking about?
- Have you considered New Moon Canaveral IQ (now called Tarantella
Secure Global Desktop)? Has pretty much everything available on MetaFrame XPe
at a much lower price. Some stuff is even way better like their EMF based
printing solution.
Cláudio Rodrigues
Microsoft MVP
Windows Technologies - Terminal Services
http://www.terminal-services.net
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jim Abshire
Sent: September 1, 2004 11:36 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Newman, Phil
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Hi all, I am currently making efforts to justify the continued use of Citrix
over regular Terminal Services 2003. I have been using Citrix since 1.8 and
have taken the courses so I am able to verbally make my case. However, I would
like to know if anyone knows of any white papers on the WEB to back up me up?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:33 AM
To: Newman, Phil; thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
10K. Well that's pretty good. And if it works you that is what matters right?
Generally we have found ICA fatter than that (better than RDP) but with
bandwidth costs being inexpensive (relatively) some of our smaller clients have
opted for the TS only route.
10 K, wow.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
RapidApp, Chicago
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Newman, Phil [mailto:Phil.Newman@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:13 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ron Oglesby
Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
In the tests we ran - the figures can out at an average of 10k per connection
for ICA, and 23k for RDP.
In relation to rollout we are doing it makes staying with Citrix the best way
forward, as I am looking at a large number of small offices, all using limited
bandwidth DSL links.
And to support RDP, the investment in WAN costs exceeded the Citrix licensing
cost.
Let me know what you think.
regards,
Phil
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Ron Oglesby
Sent: 31 August 2004 13:37
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Your kidding right? What metrics are you using to compare the two protocols,
and what is the pay pack?
Ron
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Newman, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
The main driver I have seen for Citrix recently is the bandwidth issue, in
implementing a new farm - we found that the bandwidth required for Terminal
server, and hence the increase in Network cost - exceeds the cost of the Citrix
licenses...
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Nick Smith
Sent: 26 August 2004 15:15
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Hmmm...upgrade 5 users to Citrix on Win2k = c. $2000(I think). Upgrade
5 usrs from win2k to w2k3 = c. $750.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:54
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
True, but in a environment where they do not have any terminal services, it is
very difficult to see a compelling argument for Ctx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bill Beckett
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:39
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Well the cost of 2003 is upgrading to 2003 if you're not there yet.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:39 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Cost, no Citrix tax. With windows 2003 there is little or no advantage in using
ica locally.
A native windows 2003 with a WTS gateway will provide almost the same
experience as a Citrix XPa environment with none of the added expense
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jason Miller
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:26
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] RDP Vs. ICA Client
I'm just curious about something within this group.
I've noticed more people than I expcected using RDP to connect their users to
their Metaframe servers. I've always been a big ICA client person myself. I'm
just curious to see what benefits some folks see w/ the RDP client over the ICA
client, or is it just preference?
Thanks.
Jay
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