[THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
- From: Bill Beckett <Bill.beckett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:38:53 -0400
Long debating thread here and maybe because overall things are not very
clear. Here's an article that addresses this very debate, Citrix vs TS 2K3.
A good point among many that it brings up is the fact that Microsoft TS is
not free and the client is a one for one. Whereas Citrix licenses are
pooled....read on.
http://mcpmag.com/features/article.asp?EditorialsID=432
<http://mcpmag.com/features/article.asp?EditorialsID=432>
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Abshire [mailto:Jim.Abshire@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:01 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Thanks Claudio, to answer your questions we have two farms using XPa for
load balancing both publishing different apps to different groups. My
biggest concern of course is this, all our remote locations connect via VPN
and share the Internet connection with residents, we manage apartment
housing for students, and I am concerned about bandwidth going to terminal
services. I have not checked into any alternatives, wouldn't want to
recommend something and it bite me in the ... you know.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cláudio Rodrigues [mailto:Claudio.Rodrigues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:45 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
It is not that simple. The main questions are:
- Are you in Subscription Advantage or not? If not how much will
you need to spend to get Citrix?
- What exactly are you doing? Publishing individual applications to
individual groups and/or users or not? If not, TS 2003 will do the trick
easily.
- Do you need all the fancy features on MetaFrame XPe? If not, you
probably need XPa to do load balancing but in this case you can do it
without Citrix.
- How many servers/users are we talking about?
- Have you considered New Moon Canaveral IQ (now called Tarantella
Secure Global Desktop)? Has pretty much everything available on MetaFrame
XPe at a much lower price. Some stuff is even way better like their EMF
based printing solution.
Cláudio Rodrigues
Microsoft MVP
Windows Technologies - Terminal Services
http://www.terminal-services.net <http://www.terminal-services.net>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jim Abshire
Sent: September 1, 2004 11:36 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Newman, Phil
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Hi all, I am currently making efforts to justify the continued use of
Citrix over regular Terminal Services 2003. I have been using Citrix since
1.8 and have taken the courses so I am able to verbally make my case.
However, I would like to know if anyone knows of any white papers on the WEB
to back up me up?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:33 AM
To: Newman, Phil; thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
10K. Well that's pretty good. And if it works you that is what matters
right? Generally we have found ICA fatter than that (better than RDP) but
with bandwidth costs being inexpensive (relatively) some of our smaller
clients have opted for the TS only route.
10 K, wow.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
RapidApp, Chicago
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
-----Original Message-----
From: Newman, Phil [mailto:Phil.Newman@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:13 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ron Oglesby
Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
In the tests we ran - the figures can out at an average of 10k per
connection for ICA, and 23k for RDP.
In relation to rollout we are doing it makes staying with Citrix the best
way forward, as I am looking at a large number of small offices, all using
limited bandwidth DSL links.
And to support RDP, the investment in WAN costs exceeded the Citrix
licensing cost.
Let me know what you think.
regards,
Phil
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: 31 August 2004 13:37
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Your kidding right? What metrics are you using to compare the two protocols,
and what is the pay pack?
Ron
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Newman, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
The main driver I have seen for Citrix recently is the bandwidth issue, in
implementing a new farm - we found that the bandwidth required for Terminal
server, and hence the increase in Network cost - exceeds the cost of the
Citrix licenses...
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Nick Smith
Sent: 26 August 2004 15:15
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Hmmm...upgrade 5 users to Citrix on Win2k = c. $2000(I think). Upgrade
5 usrs from win2k to w2k3 = c. $750.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:54
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
True, but in a environment where they do not have any terminal services, it
is very difficult to see a compelling argument for Ctx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:39
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Well the cost of 2003 is upgrading to 2003 if you're not there yet.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:39 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client
Cost, no Citrix tax. With windows 2003 there is little or no advantage in
using ica locally.
A native windows 2003 with a WTS gateway will provide almost the same
experience as a Citrix XPa environment with none of the added expense
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:26
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] RDP Vs. ICA Client
I'm just curious about something within this group.
I've noticed more people than I expcected using RDP to connect their users
to their Metaframe servers. I've always been a big ICA client person
myself. I'm just curious to see what benefits some folks see w/ the RDP
client over the ICA client, or is it just preference?
Thanks.
Jay
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