To be honest, the only thing I can see that would make my clients think about it is a *really* damaging virus (OS/data wiping) that gets widespread publicity. Outside of the security aspect, there's very little that compels non-techies. Windows More usable More Apps Everyone does it 'Real' support Can play games (Yes it's relevant) Staff knowledge/familiarity Linux More stable (Marginal compared to XP) Better security 'Linux is cheaper' ultimately just doesn't really work. Figure in the technical manpower cost of migration, add in staff training, and the desktop OS saving probably goes into reverse. If you're starting a new company, maybe. Nick Smith, Managing Director, OfficeAnyplace Tel: 020 7819 0090 nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Spriggs Jon [mailto:Jon.Spriggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 05 January 2005 11:41 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain OK, I'm not trying to turn it into a war (that's the last thing I want!), but I am interested... What do you think it would take to break the monopoly? What areas do you think would need to be improved for it to be considered as a usable desktop client? At what point would the sums be worth it to the customer? Jon Spriggs -- The presence of a "Fujitsu" address does not imply or assume that Fujitsu Services, Fujitsu or any other company containing the Fujitsu name uses or endorses this product. This email is purely a personal opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Smith [mailto:nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 05 January 2005 10:37 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain <Sigh> Hoping we could avoid a Linux war. </sigh> Yes, Linux is great, lovely and wonderful. And if I try to convince my clients to move to it thus throwing away all the training and knowledge their end-user staff have, they will laugh at me. Then I can show them sums, which suggest that they save around £200/desktop/OS. Then they laugh at me again because it's such a miniscule part of their IT budget. Right now, Windows is the Desktop player. Macs are fine if all you want to do is use Office, and design stuff - but that's a tiny market. The database apps are almost all for Wintel. In a few year's time that may change. But Linux advocates have been saying that this is the year for Linux on the desktop for a couple of years now - and we still have an MS Monopoly. Nick Smith, Managing Director, OfficeAnyplace Tel: 020 7819 0090 nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Spriggs Jon [mailto:Jon.Spriggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 05 January 2005 10:41 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain I'd query that.. From what I know of things, the Mac's lead the charge in the States (although in the UK the Mac isn't really a player as far as I've seen), and Linux is now making headway into changing that perception. Products such as OpenOffice.Org and Ximian for Linux and Microsoft Office for Mac (I think they still make that...?) allow you to work without using Windows... Infact, for home, the three main reasons given for not moving to Linux are games incompatibility, lack of familiarity and .. Well, not knowing about it. In business, linux is slowly moving to maturity in the desktop, and more and more open source software is being recognised as acceptable or approved. Novell's move into the Linux market seems to have made it more acceptable to look at Linux, and the Office of Egovernment (or whatever they are called now) report saying that Linux is acceptable helped as well... Or, at least - that's how I see it from the perspective of a Linux Advocate ;) Jon Spriggs -- The presence of a "Fujitsu" address does not imply or assume that Fujitsu Services, Fujitsu or any other company containing the Fujitsu name uses or endorses this product. This email is purely a personal opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Smith [mailto:nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 05 January 2005 09:47 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain No, it's not: but I can buy an Athlon PC and still work in business if I choose. Intel's monopoly is breachable on the desktop; MS isn't. Nick Smith, Managing Director, OfficeAnyplace Tel: 020 7819 0090 nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shonk [mailto:joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 05 January 2005 00:08 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain Is it any different that Intel taking a 3.6 GHz processor and locking it = at 2.8 GHz? Yet still charging more for the 3.6 over the 2.8 chip? -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Nick Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:13 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain I'm with Steve. It is the only significant difference, and it is used to justify the MS tax on new PCs being 100% higher for business than home.=20 Nick Smith, Managing Director, OfficeAnyplace Tel: 020 7819 0090 nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =20 -----Original Message----- From: Angus Macdonald [mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: 04 January 2005 10:26 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain Hardly. See the word "Home" in the software title? How many people have domains at home? It's one harmless way of differentiating between the = two products. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Greenberg [mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 03 January 2005 22:31 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT XP home on an NT domain Or how about one of those "not so subtle" differences! I consider that "feature" to be crippleware, they have to intentionally remove the feature so they can charge more for it !!=20 Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. 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