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[THIN] Re: Hardware - Blades, SAN?

From: Jeff Malczewski <jmalczewski@xxxxxxxx>
To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:05:18 -0400
Ouch..  That's a little pricey for me..   :(
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, George [mailto:gtaylor@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:19 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Hardware - Blades, SAN?


Sorry, I'm not the one that speced the FastT, so I could even give a good
guess.  I just took a quick glance at a PO for another one for the radiology
dept.  I looks like the complete?? setup including 36 145Gb drives, dual
FastT controllers and McData switches was just over $200K


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From: Jeff Malczewski [mailto:jmalczewski@xxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:51 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Hardware - Blades, SAN?


So how much would one FastT-700 and the switch fabric for it be?  How many
servers would you be able to connect to it then?

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, George [mailto:gtaylor@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:45 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Hardware - Blades, SAN?


Forgot space, each bladecenter takes 7U and can house 14 single blades.  If
you use on-board SCSI drives each blade takes 2 slots, so your cut down to 7
blades in each chassis.  Our FastT isn't for just the blade centers, so
probably takes up much more space than you'd see, it's for many servers in
the computer center, in 1 1/2 APC racks we fit about 10TB and all associated
controllers and the switching fabric.


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From: Jeff Malczewski [mailto:jmalczewski@xxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 10:26 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Hardware - Blades, SAN?


How many HS20's do you have, what was the cost for JUST hardware for that
solution, including the FastT, and how much storage do you have available to
you??
 
How many U does the complete solution take up, including the FastT?
 
I currently use 6 x330's (Dual P3, 4Gb RAM, 1U) for my TS farm...
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, George [mailto:gtaylor@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:37 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Hardware - Blades, SAN?


We're implementing this right now.  You give up one of the on-board drives
to make space for the HBA.  What I've decided to do is boot from the SAN and
use the little on-board IDE drive for nothing but the swap and temp files.
You can get SCSI drives on the blades, but its an attached cage that takes
up a second slot.  My testing using the HS20s, dual Xeons, 4gig ram, booting
from the FastT has shown them to be very robust machines.  Currently we only
have 1 Optical pass-thru and 1 ethernet switch installed, but you can double
up on both for redundancy if need be.  The ethernet switch gives you 4 ports
that can be trunked and plays very well with our Cisco 6500 gear, the
throughput is good and from what our networking guys say we are hardly
touching the 4gig limit.  The optical pass-thru gives you a fiber channel
from each and every blade, wire management with that much fiber coming from
such a little space is a chore, but does work.


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From: SMREKAR, JACK [mailto:SMREKAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:59 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Hardware - Blades, SAN?



While we do not have any blades I have been also thinking about using them
for some things.  Depending upon the company you use for your blades I would
question if you need to use a SAN for the storage of your apps.  They are
coming with upwards of 80 gig drives and I think some of them are now just
starting to come with SCSI drives so you can mirror the drives.  I would
look at purchasing them as they are and not to worry about attaching them to
a SAN.  Besides I am not sure that you could get a HBA inside one of them to
attach to the SAN.

 

Jack Smrekar

Appleton Area School District

 


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From: Chris Grecsek [mailto:grecsek@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:31 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Hardware - Blades, SAN?

 

We're trying to determine which way to go with our backend hardware for our
Citrix farm...I've been hearing a lot about these blade servers and was
wondering if we should setup our farm on a slew of blades and tie it into a
SAN? Seems like the optimal configuration for a ton of users running basic
apps like Office, IE, Acrobat, etc. 

 

Was wondering if anyone had any feedback regarding a setup like this - have
you done it, advisable, not really, pro/cons, etc. 

 

   


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