[TechAssist] Re: troubleshooting HDMI input problems with no HDMI equipped sig-gens?
- From: Phil Bader <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:02:37 -0400
Well for example the tech I know is going out on a service call to find
out why this set doesn't work on HDMI. Maybe the customer isn't doing
something right. Maybe it's a defective cable box, accessory (DVD,sat
box,etc) or a bad cable. Could be a interface module in the set. He
really doesn't need to perform alignments with patterns thru this port,
but must find out if the set recieves a signal thru it from a known good
source, and trace back from that. A stupid little thing like our
expensive generators lacking this port causes problems. I think that
$200.00 LG DVD player with a simple test disc in it would fill the
bill.I wonder if this LG also has a DVI for the sets with this option.
Your suggestion holds merit in these cases. use it straight DVI with the
DVI equipped sets, and the HDMI cable with those so equiped.probably
either the HDMI would work, or not regardless of audio.This would as you
say cover both cases.
or i could just go be a Walmart greeter, my real wish. Screw this pressure.
Waa-Waa customers just have to have cutting edge or they just die.
;-)
Phil
Philip Bader
Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
Fax (863) 299-8821
email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jim Myers wrote:
>Good point, guess we just have to have it all.
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>>Well, as I understand the HDMI includes audio as well. (HD Multimedia
>>Interface),DVI does not,has video only, so a complete HDMI port test
>>would not be possible with the DVI-HDMI adaptor, and I've heard some
>>people say they had problems with those conversion cables...
>>Phil
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>>Philip Bader
>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
>>Fax (863) 299-8821
>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>Jim Myers wrote:
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>>>Looks good but I think one with a DVI output would be better, DVI to
>>>HDMI cable is available but is HDMI to DVI?
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>>>Phil Bader wrote:
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>>>>Check this out: $199.00! HDMI outputs and takes a media card,too.
>>>>http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/LG-HD-DVD-Player-LGDVB418-/sem/rpsm/oid/109000/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
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>>>> LG HD DVD Player (LGDVB418)
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>>>>LG LGDVB418
>>>>. HD DVD player
>>>>. A/V versatility
>>>>. 7-in-2 memory card slot
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>>>>. Multi-format playback
>>>>. MP3 playback
>>>>. Slim design
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>>>>Philip Bader
>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
>>>>Fax (863) 299-8821
>>>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>Jim Myers wrote:
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>>>>>Search GOOGLE for HDMI and DVD to see what is available, I bought a LG
>>>>>model LST-3510A combination DVD and HDTV receiver for just under 400.00.
>>>>>It has DVI, component, composite and RF outputs, the DVI and component
>>>>>outputs have selectable 480,520,720 and 1080i. It upconverts DVD to and
>>>>>HD resolution you want and receives all the local off air HD channels.
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>>>>>Phil Bader wrote:
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>>>>>>$650.00 not bad... I think I saw this in MCM under their name for the
>>>>>>same price. I guess CMM (Computer Monitor Maintanence) version for
>>>>>>$500.00 only has the component outs.
>>>>>>Maybe since we only need to verify that the darn HDMI port in the tv
>>>>>>works, there will be a cheaper DVD deck out there we can plug in. Too
>>>>>>bad someone doesn't come out with a palm sized box that outputs a simple
>>>>>>test color bar patern and a 1K Hz audio tone with a HDMI output port.
>>>>>>That would be a good tester.
>>>>>>Phil Bader
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>>>>>>Philip Bader
>>>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
>>>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
>>>>>>Fax (863) 299-8821
>>>>>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>>Jim Myers wrote:
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>>>>>>>You didn't look at the link Phil, it is a generator that has what you
>>>>>>>don't have.
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>>>>>>>Phil Bader wrote:
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>>>>>>>>That's not possible, since our sencores are only equipped with RF,
>>>>>>>>conposite, VESA, and component video outputs.
>>>>>>>>I don't think theres an adaptor to go from HD component jacks to HDMI.
>>>>>>>>And there's the audio component to consider.
>>>>>>>>Phil Bader
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>>>>>>>>Philip Bader
>>>>>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
>>>>>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
>>>>>>>>Fax (863) 299-8821
>>>>>>>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>>>>Jim Myers wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>http://www.hallresearch.com/products/vga_processor/DVC-3.htm
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>>>>>>>>>Just add a DVI to HDMI adapter cable.
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>>>>>>>>>Then you have ALL possible input types covered, until next years
>>>>>>>>>models
>>>>>>>>>come out that is!
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>>>>>>>>>Phil Bader wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>A local shop I know is going out to a call on a new PTV, customer
>>>>>>>>>>says
>>>>>>>>>>the HDMI inputs don't work.
>>>>>>>>>>We both have the Sencore sig gens, his is the VP300, mine the VP301
>>>>>>>>>>(mine has a cable/RF connector added) Our gens output with the
>>>>>>>>>>composite, and component video outputs and have no HDMI.
>>>>>>>>>>Really, there seems no real need for the HDMI outputs to align, since
>>>>>>>>>>we
>>>>>>>>>>can get the HD signal into the TV VIA the other available
>>>>>>>>>>output(component video). But I guess we at least need to basically
>>>>>>>>>>verify if the HDMIs works. Suggestions? carry a small "HDMI" equipped
>>>>>>>>>>DVD player? Is there a small basic sig gen with HDMI for a decent
>>>>>>>>>>price?
>>>>>>>>>>Adaptors?
>>>>>>>>>>Phil Bader
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