[TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
- From: "Glenn Larkman" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:20:04 -0700
Tom,
I get my transistors from B+D,Electronica and HBE.
I have, on occasion, used Tritronics,Andrews and East coast transistor.
I did get one bad batch from HBE but got them replaced ok.
B+D and Electronica seem to be a sure bet - never had a bad one yet.
HTH
Glenn Larkman
Audiotech
256 Nth Hwy 101
ENCINITAS CA 92024
760 944 9048
FAX 944 0345
mail to"mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
"www.audiotech.net"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tri-County Tv" <tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:01 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
Glenn,
You list many suppliers but as a side note here, if you look at
tritronics , they show the 2SA1302 for 2.00 and the TT- replacement for
2.59, and then if you look at mcm, they show one made by Toshiba for 4.27,
how do you know what you are getting, 2.00 seems very cheap for this
transistor. I trust your opinion as I know you do alot of audio, who do you
buy your audio outputs from and that you can trust not to send a fake
dressed like the transistor you ordered. You list 17 suppliers but prices
are all over the board and how can you trust what you are getting. As you
said if I put some outputs in an amp and they fail it becomes a lose, lose
situation, I am trying to avoid that.
Tom Berger
Tri-County TV
Robbinsville
North Carolina 28771
(tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Larkman" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:16 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
> George,
>
> If the originals were NLA, then that might be different. There is also a
big
> difference between subs and generic replacements.
> I'm advising Tony not to use the generics based on my own personal
> experience.
> I dont consider ECG/NTE to be subs, to me they are generics and I treat
them
> accordingly.
> I substitute transistors myself frequently with no problems with careful
> replacement selection. That is why I have up to date spec. manuals for all
> transistors and diodes. I just dont use generics to sub with....thats all.
> However, the 2SC3281/2SA1302 are absolute garden variety outputs and are
> available for very reasonable cost (originals) from at least 12 sources I
> can name off the top of my head. There is no reason not to use them.
> They can be purchased from:
>
> B+D Electronics,
> Electronica,
> HB Electronics,
> Tritronics,
> Andrews electronics,
> Union Electronics,
> MAT,
> Dalbani,
> MCM,
> East Coast Transistor,
> Nesco,
> Electronix.
> FOX,
> Suburban Electronics,
> Electrosound
> Consolidated electronics,
> Pacific coast parts.
>
> These places mostly have websites or can be easily found by doing a google
> search.
> The price I'm looking at in the HBE catalogue is 2SA1302 - $3.25 each
>
> 2SC3281 - $3.75 each.
> Obviously there will be slight differences between the prices from all
these
> sources but you get the general idea of what they are worth. These prices
> are fairly typical.
> Besides, If the generics are installed and fail, Tony only lost money
> instead of making it, and probably pissed off his customer at the same
time.
> In these tough times it can sometimes be difficult to make a judgement
call
> and walk away from what may seem to be an easy win, but I have learnt to
do
> exactly that. After long, hard experience I simply wont put myself in that
> potentially losing situation, and considering the price of the originals I
> could find no excuse for Tony doing the same.
> It simply doesnt make sense to take the gamble.
>
> Glenn Larkman
> Audiotech
> 256 Nth Hwy 101
> ENCINITAS CA 92024
> 760 944 9048
> FAX 944 0345
> mail to"mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> "www.audiotech.net"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George" <grndmstrg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:32 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
>
>
> Glenn,
>
>
>
> Then what is Tom going to use since you eliminated everything else? Do not
> repair it? Hunt for NLA originals? I have used subs many times without any
> problems. You just have to make sure the bias is adjusted properly as some
> subs will not let you do this, find the sub that does while maintaining
the
> minimum or better ratings. Avoiding fakes is always a problem. Yes,
> replacing the drivers is a good policy. Occasionally I substituted the
> drivers so that the subbed outputs can be biased properly when proper
> outputs are not available. FET subs have other requirements including
> maximum capacitance to keep from reducing the high frequency response.
>
>
>
> George
> Afana Electronics
> Moreno Valley, CA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn Larkman" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:46 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
>
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > As our business name implies Audio is something we see a lot of.
> > I learned a very long time ago NOT to use ECG/NTE subs in an audio
> > aplication, particularly for outputs.
> > You will probably see it back again with the same transistors shot,
along
> > with a bunch of others that were not the first time.
> > BTW, When replacing outputs you should always at least replace the
drivers
> > whether they measure good or not as a kind of walking wounded situation
> > often exists with them.
> > Its up to you if you want to chance it, and who knows, you might get
> > lucky.....but I wouldnt.
> > As far as the 1302/3281 nte subs...no.....dont use them. In my
experience
> > with them, they will fail, as I had some on hand when the jap originals
> were
> > out of stock.
> > I used them and paid the price 3 days later. Never again.
> > Hope this gives you a definitive answer to your question.
> >
> > Glenn Larkman
> > Audiotech
> > 256 Nth Hwy 101
> > ENCINITAS CA 92024
> > 760 944 9048
> > FAX 944 0345
> > mail to"mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> > "www.audiotech.net"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tri-County Tv" <tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:57 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
> >
> >
> > al,
> > I know this subject has been talked right in the ground, I just
> wanted
> > a simple question answered .I know the pro's and con's, and I don't want
> to
> > start a long string, I just wanted to know if anyone has had a bad
> > experience with NTE replacements for 2sa1302 and 2sc2328 that's all I
> want
> > to know because I have a set of them instock and would like to repair
this
> > amp now.
> > Tom Berger
> > Tri-County TV
> > Robbinsville
> > North Carolina 28771
> > (tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Al L" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:18 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
> >
> >
> > > Subject has been discussed to death.If its easy to change,and a carry
> > > in,take a chance if its worth it to you to save a few bucks.I use
> quality
> > > parts,quality generics from B&D, or original.No crossed over
crossovers
> > for
> > > me.Charge enough and this isn't an issue,or fix a few disasters for
> > nothing
> > > and,learn about "saving money"
> > > "TT" line is for guys that never return,or "its always something
new
> > and
> > > ya have to pay". al
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tri-County Tv" <tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:47 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello All,
> > > > Has anyone had trouble with NTE2329 or 2328 replacing
> > > 2SA1302 and 2SC3281. I know there has been problems with tritronics
and
> > > there TT line AKA SK series but I not sure I heard anything negative
for
> > the
> > > NTE series. I ask this because I have some NTE's in stock and need to
> > > replace a 2SA1302 and 2SC3281.
> > > > Tom Berger
> > > > Tri-County TV
> > > > Robbinsville
> > > > North Carolina 28771
> > > > (tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > > >
> > >
> >
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