[TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
- From: "George" <grndmstrg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:31:32 -0700
Glenn,
You seem to ignore my reference to QUALITY SUBS not nte/ecg replacements.
Basically, we are in agreement.
George
Afana Electronics
Moreno Valley, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Larkman" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:53 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
>
>
>
> George,
>
> If the originals were NLA, then that might be different. There is also a
big
> difference between subs and generic replacements.
> I'm advising Tony not to use the generics based on my own personal
> experience.
> I dont consider ECG/NTE to be subs, to me they are generics and I treat
them
> accordingly.
> I substitute transistors myself frequently with no problems with careful
> replacement selection. That is why I have up to date spec. manuals for all
> transistors and diodes. I just dont use generics to sub with....thats all.
> However, the 2SC3281/2SA1302 are absolute garden variety outputs and are
> available for very reasonable cost (originals) from at least 12 sources I
> can name off the top of my head. There is no reason not to use them.
> They can be purchased from:
>
> B+D Electronics,
> Electronica,
> HB Electronics,
> Tritronics,
> Andrews electronics,
> Union Electronics,
> MAT,
> Dalbani,
> MCM,
> East Coast Transistor,
> Nesco,
> Electronix.
> FOX,
> Suburban Electronics,
> Electrosound
> Consolidated electronics,
> Pacific coast parts.
>
> These places mostly have websites or can be easily found by doing a google
> search.
> The price I'm looking at in the HBE catalogue is 2SA1302 - $3.25 each
>
> 2SC3281 - $3.75 each.
> Obviously there will be slight differences between the prices from all
these
> sources but you get the general idea of what they are worth. These prices
> are fairly typical.
> Besides, If the generics are installed and fail, Tony only lost money
> instead of making it, and probably irritated his customer at the same
time.
> In these tough times it can sometimes be difficult to make a judgement
call
> and walk away from what may seem to be an easy win, but I have learnt to
do
> exactly that. After long, hard experience I simply wont put myself in that
> potentially losing situation, and considering the price of the originals I
> could find no excuse for Tony doing the same.
> It simply doesnt make sense to take the gamble.
>
> Glenn Larkman
> Audiotech
> 256 Nth Hwy 101
> ENCINITAS CA 92024
> 760 944 9048
> FAX 944 0345
> mail to"mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> "www.audiotech.net"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George" <grndmstrg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:32 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
>
>
> Glenn,
>
>
>
> Then what is Tom going to use since you eliminated everything else? Do not
> repair it? Hunt for NLA originals? I have used subs many times without any
> problems. You just have to make sure the bias is adjusted properly as some
> subs will not let you do this, find the sub that does while maintaining
the
> minimum or better ratings. Avoiding fakes is always a problem. Yes,
> replacing the drivers is a good policy. Occasionally I substituted the
> drivers so that the subbed outputs can be biased properly when proper
> outputs are not available. FET subs have other requirements including
> maximum capacitance to keep from reducing the high frequency response.
>
>
>
> George
> Afana Electronics
> Moreno Valley, CA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn Larkman" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:46 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
>
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > As our business name implies Audio is something we see a lot of.
> > I learned a very long time ago NOT to use ECG/NTE subs in an audio
> > aplication, particularly for outputs.
> > You will probably see it back again with the same transistors shot,
along
> > with a bunch of others that were not the first time.
> > BTW, When replacing outputs you should always at least replace the
drivers
> > whether they measure good or not as a kind of walking wounded situation
> > often exists with them.
> > Its up to you if you want to chance it, and who knows, you might get
> > lucky.....but I wouldnt.
> > As far as the 1302/3281 nte subs...no.....dont use them. In my
experience
> > with them, they will fail, as I had some on hand when the jap originals
> were
> > out of stock.
> > I used them and paid the price 3 days later. Never again.
> > Hope this gives you a definitive answer to your question.
> >
> > Glenn Larkman
> > Audiotech
> > 256 Nth Hwy 101
> > ENCINITAS CA 92024
> > 760 944 9048
> > FAX 944 0345
> > mail to"mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> > "www.audiotech.net"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tri-County Tv" <tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:57 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
> >
> >
> > al,
> > I know this subject has been talked right in the ground, I just
> wanted
> > a simple question answered .I know the pro's and con's, and I don't want
> to
> > start a long string, I just wanted to know if anyone has had a bad
> > experience with NTE replacements for 2sa1302 and 2sc2328 that's all I
> want
> > to know because I have a set of them instock and would like to repair
this
> > amp now.
> > Tom Berger
> > Tri-County TV
> > Robbinsville
> > North Carolina 28771
> > (tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Al L" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:18 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
> >
> >
> > > Subject has been discussed to death.If its easy to change,and a carry
> > > in,take a chance if its worth it to you to save a few bucks.I use
> quality
> > > parts,quality generics from B&D, or original.No crossed over
crossovers
> > for
> > > me.Charge enough and this isn't an issue,or fix a few disasters for
> > nothing
> > > and,learn about "saving money"
> > > "TT" line is for guys that never return,or "its always something
new
> > and
> > > ya have to pay". al
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tri-County Tv" <tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:47 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] NTE 2329/2328 vs Fake
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello All,
> > > > Has anyone had trouble with NTE2329 or 2328 replacing
> > > 2SA1302 and 2SC3281. I know there has been problems with tritronics
and
> > > there TT line AKA SK series but I not sure I heard anything negative
for
> > the
> > > NTE series. I ask this because I have some NTE's in stock and need to
> > > replace a 2SA1302 and 2SC3281.
> > > > Tom Berger
> > > > Tri-County TV
> > > > Robbinsville
> > > > North Carolina 28771
> > > > (tricountytv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > > >
> > >
> >
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